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Jan 26, 2009 22:03:00 GMT -6
Post by iammrhawkeyes on Jan 26, 2009 22:03:00 GMT -6
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Jan 26, 2009 22:13:32 GMT -6
Post by Saggitariutt Jefferspin (ith) on Jan 26, 2009 22:13:32 GMT -6
Hot debate about this in a few boards.
Tough to tell unless we know how the last 10 minutes or so went. If they were full court pressing with their starters in, then that's shitty sportsmanship.
If the winning coach had his scrubs in, "called off the dogs", then it's tough to make an argument that he should need to apologize. It does say that they were firing 3's late in the game...but a lot of time when the scrubs get in, they want to score!
Montezuma won the state title in 1990, and I'm fairly certain that they won a game against Tri-County by something like 127-27. I remember it being very close to a 100 point spread as I have family from the Tri-County area that were complaining about it.
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Jan 26, 2009 22:18:49 GMT -6
Post by NOTTHOR on Jan 26, 2009 22:18:49 GMT -6
Um yeah, from reading the headlines, I agreed with you, no fucking mercy, bitches. However, after reading the article and seeing this nugget about the losing school: The academy boasts of its small class sizes and specializes in teaching students struggling with "learning differences," such as short attention spans or dyslexia
I think the guy should get the fucking soap in the sock treatment that Private Pyle got in Full Metal Jacket. Really, assfuck? You're really gonna run the score on a bunch of girls with "learning differences"? Jesus Christ, even I think that's low, and I have pretty low standards of decency. Sure, I have no problem with kids learning life ain't all peaches and cream and I think getting an ass whooping like the kind I used to dole out on the court or field is a good way to do it, but 100 points over the kids with "learning differences"? GMAFB.
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Jan 26, 2009 22:21:04 GMT -6
Post by NOTTHOR on Jan 26, 2009 22:21:04 GMT -6
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Jan 26, 2009 22:47:35 GMT -6
Post by Saggitariutt Jefferspin (ith) on Jan 26, 2009 22:47:35 GMT -6
Seth made a great point on the 'other' board that the administration of this school with disabilities should really be questioned on why this game was even scheduled.
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Jan 26, 2009 22:54:50 GMT -6
Post by iammrhawkeyes on Jan 26, 2009 22:54:50 GMT -6
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Jan 27, 2009 7:12:45 GMT -6
Post by Dr. Doofenshmirtz (Heywood) on Jan 27, 2009 7:12:45 GMT -6
I am getting tired of the "no one is better than another" attitude that is being shoved into our heads. The point of basketball is to score as many points as possible while holding the other team to as few as possible. The Academy fields a team of 8 girls, that should be plenty. And they aren't mentally handicapped as people have been making them out to be. Yes dyslexia or a short attention span can cause learning problems, but it doesn't affect athletic ability. I could even see some "normal" girls being on the team.
As far as the three pointers that were taken, I would have rather seen them shoot 3's than get easy layups. At least a 3 is a fairly low percentage shot. If the starters were still in the game during the later part of the 2nd half I would have some issue. I could see leaving them in for a while since anything can happen in basketball. Sure the score was 57-0 at half but it could have ended 58-57 with the Academy winning. The coach is there to win games and he did just that. I would hate to ever apologize for doing my job.
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Jan 27, 2009 8:32:30 GMT -6
Post by 101 on Jan 27, 2009 8:32:30 GMT -6
It's totally pathetic.
Up 59-0 at the half and continuing to run a full-court press and pop 3's throughout the 2nd half is just pathetic.
Interesting that they hit the 100 point mark with 4 1/2 minutes left and then didn't manage to make another basket the rest of the game. Who thinks they weren't trying to run up the score.....fucktards.
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Jan 27, 2009 8:57:11 GMT -6
Post by The Flying Spaghetti Monster on Jan 27, 2009 8:57:11 GMT -6
It's totally pathetic. Up 59-0 at the half and continuing to run a full-court press and pop 3's throughout the 2nd half is just pathetic. Interesting that they hit the 100 point mark with 4 1/2 minutes left and then didn't manage to make another basket the rest of the game. Who thinks they weren't trying to run up the score.....fucktards. What shows more "sportsmanship", taking lay-ups at a 90%+ success rate, shoot 3 pointers at a 35% success rate, or just stand there and dribble watching the clock run down? What pisses me off is that the losing team is getting accolades for not giving up? WTF? They lost 100-0, sure looks like they fucking gave up to me. Try scoring at least ONE fucking point. Just ONE. You can't tell me you can't even get a foul call trying to shoot during a game? ZERO points, what the hell was this other team of fucktards doing? It sure wasn't playing basketball.
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Jan 27, 2009 9:19:09 GMT -6
Post by 101 on Jan 27, 2009 9:19:09 GMT -6
Firstly, the losing team is from a school with "learning disabilities". Why the game was scheduled in the first place, I'll never know.
Secondly, yes, the winning team should not have been running a full-court press in the 2nd half and they also should have been running the clock down with each possession.
It's pretty clear to me that they had every intent of running up the score.
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Jan 27, 2009 9:52:05 GMT -6
Post by socal on Jan 27, 2009 9:52:05 GMT -6
Sounds like my high school girls BB team during my senior year...
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Jan 27, 2009 10:15:50 GMT -6
Post by idrinkthereforeiam on Jan 27, 2009 10:15:50 GMT -6
The academy boasts of its small class sizes and specializes in teaching students struggling with "learning differences," such as short attention spans or dyslexia
What does that have to do with athletic ability?
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Jan 27, 2009 10:16:32 GMT -6
Post by idrinkthereforeiam on Jan 27, 2009 10:16:32 GMT -6
It's totally pathetic. Up 59-0 at the half and continuing to run a full-court press and pop 3's throughout the 2nd half is just pathetic. Interesting that they hit the 100 point mark with 4 1/2 minutes left and then didn't manage to make another basket the rest of the game. Who thinks they weren't trying to run up the score.....fucktards. What shows more "sportsmanship", taking lay-ups at a 90%+ success rate, shoot 3 pointers at a 35% success rate, or just stand there and dribble watching the clock run down? What pisses me off is that the losing team is getting accolades for not giving up? WTF? They lost 100-0, sure looks like they fucking gave up to me. Try scoring at least ONE fucking point. Just ONE. You can't tell me you can't even get a foul call trying to shoot during a game? ZERO points, what the hell was this other team of fucktards doing? It sure wasn't playing basketball. DING DING FUCKING DING
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Jan 27, 2009 10:22:39 GMT -6
Post by NotMyKid on Jan 27, 2009 10:22:39 GMT -6
Sounds like my high school girls BB team during my senior year... It's funny you bring that up. I have a few stories. When I was in 7th grade our girls team played Solon. Let's just say that we had athletic girls in our class but none of them were basketball players. Solon won 69-0. When I was a freshmen we played IMS and like most smaller schools their best players in any class got moved up to varsity. Well our school had a pretty solid B-Ball program 9-12 so all of us played on the freshmen team. We were up like 28-0 in the first quarter, our coached called a TO and took off the press so they could get the ball past center court (we didn't press the rest of the game). We ended up winning like 72-20 and none of our top 7 players played after the first few minutes of the 2nd half. And finally a baseball story: We played Bennett in Baseball when I was a Junior after the first inning it was 8-0. The top of the 2nd they got two quick outs and then we proceeded to score 23 runs with two outs. They made a few errors but the majority of our runs were scored on hits. It was really crazy, after we were up 15-0 our coach put in our entire bench and I am talking about a few guys that had no business playing baseball hitting doubles off the wall, it was crazy. Their coach threw in the towel after the bottom of the second because he said he was out of pitchers final score 31-0 after two innings. Like people have said on other boards the AD or whoever scheduled the game is more at fault then the coach that got shit canned is in my book. I do agree however that pressing and shooting 3 when your up 70-0 or 80-0 is just plain bad sportsmanship.
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Jan 27, 2009 10:30:20 GMT -6
Post by iammrhawkeyes on Jan 27, 2009 10:30:20 GMT -6
Sounds like my high school girls BB team during my senior year... I wrestled in Jr. High and was in a match with a guy who was kicking my ass 13-1 or 14-1 at the end of the second period. Total domination. My coach didn't ask my opponent to lighten up. He was yelling at me to keep working. It was humiliating to get beat so bad but it would have been worse if my opponent let me score some feel good points or having coach yank me off the mat(per one of the below links). Here's another article about the game and the coach who was fired. This guy had taken his team from a 2-19 record his first year to a State Championship. www.blackchristiannews.com/news/2009/01/covenant-school-girls-basketball-coach-who-beat-dallas-academy-100-0-is-fired.htmlGrimes said in his Sunday post that his team stopped applying full-court defensive pressure after the score reached 25-0 three minutes into the game, then dropped into a relatively benign zone defense and began resting its starters in favor of its three bench players.
Dallas Academy coach Andrew Lott agreed that Covenant stopped pressing at that point but returned with an alternate press later in the game.
"I am 100 percent sure," said Lott, who estimated that his team was able to take seven shots all game.Interesting article from ESPN. sports.espn.go.com/highschool/rise/basketball/girls/news/story?id=3855856Lisa Leslie scored 101 points by halftime!
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Jan 27, 2009 11:39:23 GMT -6
Post by thunderhawk on Jan 27, 2009 11:39:23 GMT -6
Everybody involved in the scheduling of this disgrace oughta be fired.
Seriously. If they HAD to play, the coach of the "winners" should have called off the dogs at about 40-0, and the coach of the losers should have forfeited when it became abundantly clear that his team was going to make national headlines for all the wrong reasons. The "winning" coach is a grade-A fistfuck, and the losing coach is a fucking moron.
They all deserve the ax.
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Jan 27, 2009 13:13:09 GMT -6
Post by Solar Stud on Jan 27, 2009 13:13:09 GMT -6
Two issues....the game itself and the firing.
Game was embarassing...winning coach an ass, and the losing team/school needs to get out of the league they're in if they haven't won in FOUR frickin years. (which is true)
Firing:
Three facts remain:
#1--The winning coach was never told to "quit running up the score or you're fired" during the game, so he didn't break any rule or go against any direct order.
#2--The winning coach was not fired immediately after the game.
#3--Instead, he was canned AFTER his email came out, 48 hours later, which spoke against the company line.
The firing was politically driven, probably illegal and just wrong. I'd sue.
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Jan 27, 2009 13:37:54 GMT -6
Post by hawkeyescott on Jan 27, 2009 13:37:54 GMT -6
Why is it the coaches fault? For all we know the fucking starters could have been out of the game by the end of the first quarter. You can't put in your worse players and tell them not to score. They work just as hard in practice as the starters, if anything maybe the other team should learn how to play some fucking defense and not let them score.
If the reserves of the winning team are that much better than the starters of the losing team it is time for the losing school to drop girls basketball or merge with another smaller school.
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Jan 27, 2009 13:43:57 GMT -6
Post by Iowafan1 on Jan 27, 2009 13:43:57 GMT -6
I am having a hard time envisioning a 100-0 basketball score. I would feel differently depending on what we are looking at here. I have never been a fan of the mercy rule or of leagues where scores are not kept. I'm not sure on the particulars of this specific league or game.
If we are looking at two teams with players of "same league" physical abilities, ages, mental capacities, etc. and the reason for the lopsided score was purely because one team practiced harder and the other team never practiced, I have no sympathy whatsoever for the losing team as this will correlate to every other facet of their lives....ie if you don't work hard, you will not succeed and you will continually get beat by those who do work hard. In this scenario, I would side with Seth's viewpoint that the firing was without merit.
If, on the other hand, we are looking at a game of league where those physical and mental capabilities, not to mention ages, were obviously not conducive to an equal playing field of competition, the entire league should be reorganized or shut down altogether. I don't mean to be insensitive, but I hear a basketball score of 100-0 and it honestly sounds as it were a game of either grown men against 5 year old boys, healthy, able bodied men against a team of amputees or a game of men who had all their mental capacities against a team of men who drooled all over themselves. If any of these are even close to being the truth or if the game was obviously one that was not being played on a level playing field, all parties need to be addressed.
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Jan 27, 2009 14:10:31 GMT -6
Post by isu is shit on Jan 27, 2009 14:10:31 GMT -6
It's HS girls basketball....not that big of a deal...I'm kind of surprised it's getting this national attention.
A few years ago, WDM Dowling girls beat the North High girls 96-4 and it didn't get any national attention.
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Jan 27, 2009 14:13:18 GMT -6
Post by lpcalihawk on Jan 27, 2009 14:13:18 GMT -6
Private school fired him for his actions.......they probably have a code of conduct they will stand behind if the former coach sues.
If the "learning difficulties" school continues to sponsor sports and schedule schools that have kids far superior athletes, then they need to learn how to accept defeats like this. Yes, the offending coach seems like a complete asshole, but if you haven't won a game in 5 years......chances are something like this will happen eventually.
Blame on both sides
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Jan 27, 2009 15:22:00 GMT -6
Post by twinegarden on Jan 27, 2009 15:22:00 GMT -6
Pretty much everyone involved with the story were idiots. No matter what the kids should have been able to at least score one basket. If they were at that much of a physical/mental disadvantage there is no way they should have been playing eachother.
The coach really was setting a poor example for the girls on his team by kicking their asses that bad then being a prick about it. Not much of a rolemodel, influences like that will turn those girls into pretty huge bitches by the time they graduate high school. Hopefully that was the main ground on which they fired the guy.
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Jan 27, 2009 15:54:22 GMT -6
Post by roxxstar on Jan 27, 2009 15:54:22 GMT -6
I don't see the harm in beating the shit out of a group of tard-o's. That's like basic Friday night fun where I come from.
Reminds me of what I do to Stukatt and Twine in Halo 3
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Jan 27, 2009 15:58:57 GMT -6
Post by Saggitariutt Jefferspin (ith) on Jan 27, 2009 15:58:57 GMT -6
I don't see the harm in beating the shit out of a group of tard-o's. That's like basic Friday night fun where I come from. Reminds me of what I do to Stukatt and Twine in Halo 3 Wow, what happened to Mr. Compassion??
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Jan 27, 2009 17:20:05 GMT -6
Post by iammrhawkeyes on Jan 27, 2009 17:20:05 GMT -6
I don't see the harm in beating the shit out of a group of tard-o's. That's like basic Friday night fun where I come from. Reminds me of what I do to Stukatt and Twine in Halo 3 Wow, what happened to Mr. Compassion?? Get this guy some Bong loads, stat! Compassion levels dropping...dropping...dropping...
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