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Post by NotMyKid on Jan 26, 2011 17:03:48 GMT -6
Just wanted to pass on a little info on this.
Guys that just graduated have said they do the same workout every year the first day back from X-mas break, so nothing new there.
Also said that the players in the hospital might not of been in proper shape after the long lay off or ate/drank like crap leading up to the workout that all can be causes of this.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 26, 2011 18:20:35 GMT -6
somehow our fucking football team has turned in to Norm and Cliff from Cheers.
goddam weekend warriors
what the hell happened to being "Doyle-ized"??
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Post by socal on Jan 26, 2011 23:03:30 GMT -6
somehow our fucking football team has turned in to Norm and Cliff from Cheers. goddam weekend warriors what the hell happened to being "Doyle-ized"?? |
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Post by hawkeyescott on Jan 27, 2011 12:16:35 GMT -6
Actually I think it is up to 13 now. Anyone want to wager that probably 10 of them play fucking defense?
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Post by lpcalihawk on Jan 27, 2011 12:47:38 GMT -6
Blame the kids, Hoffa? Really?
There are certified professionals that put kids through a workout that caused 13 of them to go to the hospital with a condition that COULD cause severe kidney damage. The Ferentz lovers are all making excuses already saying this is "normal" in big time college football. Bullshit. There is nothing normal about 13 kids going to the hospital for this condition.
Everyone needs to stop sucking Doyle's dick. He gets too much credit, it's that simple.
If a parent chooses to sue the UI over this, the parent will win.
It also brings up the question who in the football office is monitoring the supplements used. This condition could have been sped up with the use of Creatin or other muscle-building supplements.
Another black-eye for Iowa Football in a year of ball punches for the program. Instead of holding professionals accountable, let's shift the blame on lazy kids who took a whole 3 fucking weeks off to be a normal college kid. For shame on those lazy fucks.
Get real.
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Post by twine on Jan 27, 2011 13:43:48 GMT -6
Blame the kids, Hoffa? Really? There are certified professionals that put kids through a workout that caused 13 of them to go to the hospital with a condition that COULD cause severe kidney damage. The Ferentz lovers are all making excuses already saying this is "normal" in big time college football. Bullshit. There is nothing normal about 13 kids going to the hospital for this condition. Everyone needs to stop sucking Doyle's dick. He gets too much credit, it's that simple. If a parent chooses to sue the UI over this, the parent will win. It also brings up the question who in the football office is monitoring the supplements used. This condition could have been sped up with the use of Creatin or other muscle-building supplements. Another black-eye for Iowa Football in a year of ball punches for the program. Instead of holding professionals accountable, let's shift the blame on lazy kids who took a whole 3 fucking weeks off to be a normal college kid. For shame on those lazy fucks. Get real. Those college kids need to understand the importance of their efforts in regards to the middle aged men who live vicariously through their success and failure on the field. There is way too much on the line for these guys to live like normal 18 to 22 year olds during the very beginning of the offseason. My guess is that they probably went and had some beers the night before and hadn't done much during those three weeks off. I don't really think there is anyone to point fingers at here though as long as everyone heals fine. Maybe they just need to stress the importance of being prepared for the grueling workout. Shit happens, mang. |
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Post by NotMyKid on Jan 27, 2011 14:49:41 GMT -6
Blame the kids, Hoffa? Really? There are certified professionals that put kids through a workout that caused 13 of them to go to the hospital with a condition that COULD cause severe kidney damage. The Ferentz lovers are all making excuses already saying this is "normal" in big time college football. Bullshit. There is nothing normal about 13 kids going to the hospital for this condition. Everyone needs to stop sucking Doyle's dick. He gets too much credit, it's that simple. If a parent chooses to sue the UI over this, the parent will win. It also brings up the question who in the football office is monitoring the supplements used. This condition could have been sped up with the use of Creatin or other muscle-building supplements. Another black-eye for Iowa Football in a year of ball punches for the program. Instead of holding professionals accountable, let's shift the blame on lazy kids who took a whole 3 fucking weeks off to be a normal college kid. For shame on those lazy fucks. Get real. My guess is that they probably went and had some beers the night before and hadn't done much during those three weeks off. I don't really think there is anyone to point fingers at here though as long as everyone heals fine. Maybe they just need to stress the importance of being prepared for the grueling workout. Shit happens, mang. This. And LP, you might want to read my post again. It was a FORMER IOWA FOOTBALL PLAYER that said they might not have been in proper shape and or ate/drank like shit in the days leading up to the workout. Never did I say that's what I think happened. I was passing info on from guys that went through these very same workouts and have first hand knowledge of is expected of the players during the off season. Do I think things need to be looked into to make sure the shit doesn't happen again? Of course but I am telling you what guys told me that went through the program not some middle aged fat guy sitting on his couch jumping to conclusions on things he knows nothing about. (For the record that last comment wasn't directed at you, just all the other fuckers that think they know shit when they have no clue what goes on a day to day basis with the players and coaches) |
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Post by lpcalihawk on Jan 27, 2011 14:57:42 GMT -6
My guess is that they probably went and had some beers the night before and hadn't done much during those three weeks off. I don't really think there is anyone to point fingers at here though as long as everyone heals fine. Maybe they just need to stress the importance of being prepared for the grueling workout. Shit happens, mang. This. And LP, you might want to read my post again. It was a FORMER IOWA FOOTBALL PLAYER that said they might not have been in proper shape and or ate/drank like shit in the days leading up to the workout. Never did I say that's what I think happened. I was passing info on from guys that went through these very same workouts and have first hand knowledge of is expected of the players during the off season. Do I think things need to be looked into to make sure the shit doesn't happen again? Of course but I am telling you what guys told me that went through the program not some middle aged fat guy sitting on his couch jumping to conclusions on things he knows nothing about. (For the record that last comment wasn't directed at you, just all the other fuckers that think they know shit when they have no clue what goes on a day to day basis with the players and coaches) Middle age - not yet.....on the couch - no.....fat - well, yes Do your sources of former football players know that this is the exact workout they went through in past years? We'll know soon enough now that Sally and the Regents are on the case. I'm sure they will be requesting work-out documents from this year and years past to see if it really was the same workout. 1 or 2 guys I can understand, but 13?  In the words of Keyshawn, "C'Mon MAN" |
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Post by NotMyKid on Jan 27, 2011 15:22:40 GMT -6
Both guys played last year and said that it was the exact same workout that they have had the first day back from X-mas break the last 4 years.
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Post by thunderhawk on Jan 27, 2011 15:31:28 GMT -6
Both guys played last year and said that it was the exact same workout that they have had the first day back from X-mas break the last 4 years. Moral of the story: Twist your ankle right before coming back from christmas break. |
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Post by lpcalihawk on Jan 28, 2011 8:10:01 GMT -6
Both guys played last year and said that it was the exact same workout that they have had the first day back from X-mas break the last 4 years. Mike Leach got fired for putting a kid in a shed. Do you think sending 13 kids to the hospital due to a workout is worse than putting a kid in a shed? Let's face it......Chris "Jesus" Doyle got p3wnded in the 2010 season when the defense showed they weren't conditioned for 4 quarters. That bruised his ego. So, what does he do the first time back in the spring? He puts them through a workout from hell to save face and help his bruised ego. If you don't think is personal for Doyle, you are naive. However, the issue becomes is a professional making 300K a year allowed to take out his frustrations on a group of 18-22 year olds? On a larger scale, other programs are emailing this story to recruits all over the nation. This will hurt Iowa recruiting no matter what the losers on Scout say. The fact that KF is sitting in living rooms right now instead of visiting his current players in the hospital speaks volumes. |
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Post by NotMyKid on Jan 28, 2011 8:54:00 GMT -6
Both guys played last year and said that it was the exact same workout that they have had the first day back from X-mas break the last 4 years. Mike Leach got fired for putting a kid in a shed. Do you think sending 13 kids to the hospital due to a workout is worse than putting a kid in a shed? Let's face it......Chris "Jesus" Doyle got p3wnded in the 2010 season when the defense showed they weren't conditioned for 4 quarters. That bruised his ego. So, what does he do the first time back in the spring? He puts them through a workout from hell to save face and help his bruised ego. If you don't think is personal for Doyle, you are naive. However, the issue becomes is a professional making 300K a year allowed to take out his frustrations on a group of 18-22 year olds? On a larger scale, other programs are emailing this story to recruits all over the nation. This will hurt Iowa recruiting no matter what the losers on Scout say. The fact that KF is sitting in living rooms right now instead of visiting his current players in the hospital speaks volumes. LP, Look if once all the info comes out and it is a proved FACT that Doyle did something that put these kids in the hospital or did something differently than he is done in the past than I will be join you in saying that he needs to be fired. However we know absolutely nothing other than a workout put some players in the hospital. Are there are aspects of the story that we don't know about at this time? Of course, will it kill anybody to fucking wait until that info is made public? Sure because in the world we live in it's overreact now and get facts later. Give the fucking coaches a break. You honestly think that Doyle would do something to purposely hurt or punish players? If so you are sicker than I fucking thought. Sash, Julian Vandervelde, the two other players that I haven't named, Poggi's Dad, and the assistant Strength coach at Tulsa (who oh by the way has said he has done and used the same workout) all have come out saying that Doyle and the coaches always have the players well being in mind again, why not believe someone that has been around the program and doing the workouts over some guy that sits in the 50th row of the stands or on his couch. As for recruiting- How many decommits have we had over this? thats right fucking none- the PC even asked several of them about this and they said it wasn't a big deal and they weren't worried about it. As for KF not being back in IC that one I see both sides but clearly if it was as serious as some are making it out to be or if any of the kids were in serious danger do you really think that KF would still be out on the road sleeping in hotel rooms and talking to 17-18 year old kids and their Aunt Mary? Sorry but your thoughts and views don't mean as much as the word of multiple players. |
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Post by NotMyKid on Jan 28, 2011 9:02:31 GMT -6
Here you go add 3 more players to the list, 4 if you want to count Bulaga that also has said this was a common workout. www.thonline.com/article.cfm?id=309893Keep throwing shit if you like hopefully something will stick Or take the word of an MD from the Mayo Clinic: Details about what sent 13 University of Iowa football players to the hospital raise questions about player activities outside strenuous weekend workouts, a medical expert and major-college strength and conditioning coach said Thursday. Players were admitted Monday after some reported brown and discolored urine, and university officials said the men remain hospitalized while being treated for rhabdomyolysis. Dr. John Graves, a staff physician in the division of hypertension and internal medicine at the Mayo Clinic in Rochester, Minn., said doctors at University of Iowa Hospitals should center substantial attention on nontraining factors. At the University of Tulsa, assistant strength and conditioning coach Paul Arndorfer — who attended Iowa and knows Hawkeyes strength coach Chris Doyle personally — raised similar issues. Graves was asked whether the inability to find a common thread among the cases while hospitalized is unusual. “Yes. That says that the kids aren’t telling you what happened on the weekend,” he said. “That says there is more to the story than the workouts. There is more going on that they aren’t telling us about … something else that sensitized them, perhaps, to the workout on Monday, and that is what tripped them into rhabdomyolysis.” hawkcentral.com/2011/01/27/did-other-factors-affect-stricken-hawkeyes/ |
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Post by lpcalihawk on Jan 28, 2011 9:39:10 GMT -6
Keep blaming the victims, Hoffa. I have as many "inside sources" as you do. Do you know what supplements the football office has these kids take? They all got drug tested and all came back clean for illegal drugs.....the tests couldn't conclude anything about supplements that their S/C coaches may be "encouraging" them to take.
I'm not calling for anyone to be fired. I'm asking for accountability by the professionals in this situation. The constant apologists for Doyle and KF can't take enough time to remove their heads out these guys' ass to look big picture at this thing. They simply want to say "it's something the kids did to cause this to happen". Take the blinders off and realize the common denominator in all of this is the WORKOUT. Simple as that.
It's funny how the kids are expected to be held accountable in everything they do, but the professionals aren't.
Do you think this is worse than Mike Leach putting a kid in the shed? You avoided that question.
They trotted Biff Poggi (a personal friend of Ferentz from Maryland)...how about the 12 other sets of parents. Are they singing the same tune?
They trot out friends of Chris Doyle to support him. Why not interview athletics trainers and other strength coaches that find these workouts to be unscientific and accidents waiting to happen? They are out there....you are not looking because you don't want to hear that side.
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Post by Saggitariutt Jefferspin (ith) on Jan 28, 2011 10:06:18 GMT -6
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Post by lpcalihawk on Jan 28, 2011 10:12:56 GMT -6
These kids are on call for football activities 46 of 52 weeks a year. They got 3 weeks off over winter break, they will get 3 weeks off during the summer (at most). God forbid, they lay around and watch TV like any other college kid on break. I'm tired of seeing all the message board posts blaming the students.
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Post by NotMyKid on Jan 28, 2011 10:17:29 GMT -6
LP,
For the fucking 100th time I am not blaming the fucking kids. Get over yourself. I said I am going to wait and see until all the info comes out before I pass judgment. I was giving first hand info at what former players told me about the training and what THEY as players say they need to do. Do the coaches have a hand in that? Sure, but why is it that when there are several players that have come out and said it is nothing new that you can't see there might be something besides just the workout.
Like I said if the news comes out that Doyle or any other coach had them take shit that combined with that type of workout caused this to happen that somebody will need to be held accountable.
As for the Leach thing, his firing had little to do with him putting a spoiled rich kid in a shed and more to do with the fact that Craig James is a fucking helicopter dad that was too big of a pussy to talk to Leach himself about his kid and lack of playing time instead he broke the news to his fucking employer ESPN.
Leach is a idiot for doing what he did and is also too big of a dumbshit to come out and apologize.
So yes this is worse than that but it's apples and oranges. Worse because kids are in the hospital but we don't know yet what the entire cause is. Again like I said above if the coaches are to blame for this then something will need to be done but why is it so hard for people to wait until all the info comes out before making a snap decision.
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Post by lpcalihawk on Jan 28, 2011 11:18:47 GMT -6
LP, For the fucking 100th time I am not blaming the fucking kids. Get over yourself. I said I am going to wait and see until all the info comes out before I pass judgment. I was giving first hand info at what former players told me about the training and what THEY as players say they need to do. Do the coaches have a hand in that? Sure, but why is it that when there are several players that have come out and said it is nothing new that you can't see there might be something besides just the workout. Like I said if the news comes out that Doyle or any other coach had them take shit that combined with that type of workout caused this to happen that somebody will need to be held accountable. As for the Leach thing, his firing had little to do with him putting a spoiled rich kid in a shed and more to do with the fact that Craig James is a fucking helicopter dad that was too big of a pussy to talk to Leach himself about his kid and lack of playing time instead he broke the news to his fucking employer ESPN. Leach is a idiot for doing what he did and is also too big of a dumbshit to come out and apologize. So yes this is worse than that but it's apples and oranges. Worse because kids are in the hospital but we don't know yet what the entire cause is. Again like I said above if the coaches are to blame for this then something will need to be done but why is it so hard for people to wait until all the info comes out before making a snap decision. Hoffa, I am asking the same question about snap decisions. Why there are so many out there already assuming Doyle is blameless in this situation? Why is the Football Office trotting around lifelong friends of KF who happens to be a father of a current kid to press conferences? My main concern is for the students and their health, so I apologize if I'm jumping on you...which I was based on re-reading my posts. Too many Iowa "fans" throw these kids out and could give two shits about their well-being......that's not right because they worship at the altar of KF and Doyle. The University and the program owe it to them and their families to be treated fairly and with respect. |
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Post by Master Blaster on Jan 28, 2011 11:30:15 GMT -6
Real question here, what makes anyone think this would only be an isolated incident for Iowa? I am pretty sure that our training program and those of others around the country are fairly similar. Proven positive performance gets repeated by others, and football hardly closely guarded secret.
that is what tells me this is an external factor. I highly doubt that working out for 1 solid day, or even a week, would bring about this many cases. could be they all shared a common water source? gym clothes were stored together? Powder box for the weights? I think these are much more likely sources than a workout routine that hasn't changed in a few years.
The university acted appropriately to date from what I have seen. I'd hold judgement until more comes about.
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Post by socal on Jan 28, 2011 12:12:46 GMT -6
The University and the program owe it to them and their families to be treated fairly and with respect. What, besides the cruel beatings and forcing them to study? lp, when it comes out that they each ingested a substance, that when combined with a strenuous workout caused their muscle cells to rupture, you owe Hoffa a blowjob. |
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Post by NotMyKid on Jan 28, 2011 12:40:27 GMT -6
The University and the program owe it to them and their families to be treated fairly and with respect. What, besides the cruel beatings and forcing them to study? lp, when it comes out that they each ingested a substance, that when combined with a strenuous workout caused their muscle cells to rupture, you owe Hoffa a blowjob. If that does happen LP, a simple you were right will work, just as I will do the same if one of the coaches fucked up.  and LP, don't get me wrong I do see your point, I know that there are plenty of Iowa fans that think KF can do no wrong but after the DJK, A-Rob and the 20 players that were suppose to be suspended for the bowl game there are also plenty of people that tend dig graves before they have a body as well. |
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Post by lpcalihawk on Jan 28, 2011 14:30:51 GMT -6
The University and the program owe it to them and their families to be treated fairly and with respect. What, besides the cruel beatings and forcing them to study? lp, when it comes out that they each ingested a substance, that when combined with a strenuous workout caused their muscle cells to rupture, you owe Hoffa a blowjob. If it comes out they ingested a substance that contributed to this condition, the first question that needs to be answered is who gave them the supplement? Did they buy at GNC on their own? Or, was it a product given to them by the Football S/C coaches? |
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Post by lpcalihawk on Jan 28, 2011 14:32:19 GMT -6
What, besides the cruel beatings and forcing them to study? lp, when it comes out that they each ingested a substance, that when combined with a strenuous workout caused their muscle cells to rupture, you owe Hoffa a blowjob. If that does happen LP, a simple you were right will work, just as I will do the same if one of the coaches fucked up. and LP, don't get me wrong I do see your point, I know that there are plenty of Iowa fans that think KF can do no wrong but after the DJK, A-Rob and the 20 players that were suppose to be suspended for the bowl game there are also plenty of people that tend dig graves before they have a body as well. As I see your point as well. |
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Post by Gumbyhawk on Jan 28, 2011 19:18:24 GMT -6
What, besides the cruel beatings and forcing them to study? lp, when it comes out that they each ingested a substance, that when combined with a strenuous workout caused their muscle cells to rupture, you owe Hoffa a blowjob. If it comes out they ingested a substance that contributed to this condition, the first question that needs to be answered is who gave them the supplement? Did they buy at GNC on their own? Or, was it a product given to them by the Football S/C coaches? It's REVOLT!!! The players were all using Revolt!  |
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Post by lpcalihawk on Jan 31, 2011 9:26:55 GMT -6
The University and the program owe it to them and their families to be treated fairly and with respect. What, besides the cruel beatings and forcing them to study? lp, when it comes out that they each ingested a substance, that when combined with a strenuous workout caused their muscle cells to rupture, you owe Hoffa a blowjob. They trained extremely hard and ended up in the hospital, and there is no indication they did anything wrong,” Ferentz said. “So I’m pleased they are progressing well and I look forward to seeing all of them being back to normal.” No indication they (the kids) did anything wrong....who's gonna suck my dick? |
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