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Post by Deleted on Dec 16, 2014 15:37:43 GMT -6
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Post by GhostMod 5000 on Dec 16, 2014 16:09:03 GMT -6
Proghblehm? U jelly(tits)
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Post by Stan's Field on Dec 16, 2014 19:09:13 GMT -6
do you get paid by your jerb for being extraordinarily self-satisfied? Just cue re: us. Don't h8 cuz I'm right about everything. What'd we beat storied, in-state-rival iowa state by?
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Post by GhostMod 5000 on Dec 17, 2014 7:37:39 GMT -6
Don't h8 cuz I'm right about everything. What'd we beat storied, in-state-rival iowa state by?
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Post by GhostMod 5000 on Dec 18, 2014 11:45:05 GMT -6
I know I give VeanDogs a lot of shit, but damn, the guy hits the nail on the head re: the shitty state of the BB program: At the end of the day a team is what it's record says it is. Lasts years team was a fringe NCAA team, that went 2-9 in games decided by 2 possessions or less. It was NOT a top 10 team, it was a fringe NCAA team, cause you look at the entire body of work, not just 1/2 or 2/3 or 9/10, but the ENTIRE body of work. Fran has had 1 team that was a surefire lock for the NCAA tourney in 5 years now, and that almost slipped away. I'm sorry, but that simply isn't getting it done. 5 years is all the time a football coach should get, a BB coach should get 3 years is all. It is sooooo much easier to turn around a BB program than it is a football program, as you only need a player or 2 to do so.
I actually kind of felt this way after year 3 to be honest, that was a team that was good enough to be a NCAA team, but they didn't get it done. I was patient, cause I realize year 4, he had a pretty loaded team, but they really let last year slip away. Yet I totally understand that as well, with what Fran was going through with his son. Now in year 5, once again, this is a team that could/should make the tourney. If he once again doesn't make it, in my mind that is 2 teams (this years and '12-'13 NIT team) that should have made it, but didn't, and the '13-'14 team underachieved big time with the finish they had.
I get that not many agree with me on this. I had actually not even wanted to go here and actually say anything.....then I figured why not? I'm not a negative guy, I realize we have a ton of time left this year, and I'm not convince this isn't a NCAA team, but I'm also not convinced it is. The goal is the NCAA tourney, and it is about results.....I'm out of "Almosts" come year 5. No more "almost" getting to the NCAA. No more "almost" getting a top recruit. In year 5 the almosts should be a think of the past, and it should be about results. For me as a fan, if we aren't a NCAA team at the end of this year, I have no faith that Fran can get it done in years 6 and beyond.hawkeyenation.com/forum/showthread.php?68461-If-we-miss-the-dance-this-year/page2The funny thing is, he says he's fucking afraid to bring this up in HN? Seriously? I don't understand how so many can have blinding rage to Kurt's mediocrity, but criticism of Fran's mediocrity ist verboten? WTF?
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Post by GhostMod 5000 on Dec 18, 2014 11:47:09 GMT -6
Also, check out this tard:
On the flip side, is Fran's lack of success sustainable? He had a top 10 team put together that collapsed. Is that something that will happen every time? There's no way to answer for sure but as an AD would you really want to cut loose a coach that took us from the gutter to a top 10 ranking? In iowa that's not easy to do. Fran all but locked up a diamond in the rough that shined too soon and ended up in Kentucky. That kind of bad luck isn't sustainable.
ARE YOU FUCKING KIDDING ME!!! No dumbass, teh top 10 ranking is what was unsustainable, not "bad luck" thaty caused us to fucking collapse.
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Post by NotMyKid on Dec 18, 2014 11:55:23 GMT -6
I was just over there for the first time in weeks and holy hell are there a lot if morons that post there. Plenty of derp.
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Post by egadsto on Dec 18, 2014 11:59:57 GMT -6
I was just over there for the first time in weeks and holy hell are there a lot if morons that post there. Plenty of derp.
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Post by GhostMod 5000 on Dec 18, 2014 13:47:23 GMT -6
I was just over there for the first time in weeks and holy hell are there a lot if morons that post there. Plenty of derp. I had the same thought. I wanted to see if there was anything vee-sah-veee Kurt trolling them by dangling Beat Harder in front of their faces, but I couldn't get there.
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Post by egadsto on Dec 18, 2014 14:22:48 GMT -6
I know I give VeanDogs a lot of shit, but damn, the guy hits the nail on the head re: the shitty state of the BB program: At the end of the day a team is what it's record says it is. Lasts years team was a fringe NCAA team, that went 2-9 in games decided by 2 possessions or less. It was NOT a top 10 team, it was a fringe NCAA team, cause you look at the entire body of work, not just 1/2 or 2/3 or 9/10, but the ENTIRE body of work. Fran has had 1 team that was a surefire lock for the NCAA tourney in 5 years now, and that almost slipped away. I'm sorry, but that simply isn't getting it done. 5 years is all the time a football coach should get, a BB coach should get 3 years is all. It is sooooo much easier to turn around a BB program than it is a football program, as you only need a player or 2 to do so.
I actually kind of felt this way after year 3 to be honest, that was a team that was good enough to be a NCAA team, but they didn't get it done. I was patient, cause I realize year 4, he had a pretty loaded team, but they really let last year slip away. Yet I totally understand that as well, with what Fran was going through with his son. Now in year 5, once again, this is a team that could/should make the tourney. If he once again doesn't make it, in my mind that is 2 teams (this years and '12-'13 NIT team) that should have made it, but didn't, and the '13-'14 team underachieved big time with the finish they had.
I get that not many agree with me on this. I had actually not even wanted to go here and actually say anything.....then I figured why not? I'm not a negative guy, I realize we have a ton of time left this year, and I'm not convince this isn't a NCAA team, but I'm also not convinced it is. The goal is the NCAA tourney, and it is about results.....I'm out of "Almosts" come year 5. No more "almost" getting to the NCAA. No more "almost" getting a top recruit. In year 5 the almosts should be a think of the past, and it should be about results. For me as a fan, if we aren't a NCAA team at the end of this year, I have no faith that Fran can get it done in years 6 and beyond.hawkeyenation.com/forum/showthread.php?68461-If-we-miss-the-dance-this-year/page2The funny thing is, he says he's fucking afraid to bring this up in HN? Seriously? I don't understand how so many can have blinding rage to Kurt's mediocrity, but criticism of Fran's mediocrity ist verboten? WTF? To maybe clear up your confusion about the position of curt vs fran on the Hate-O-Meter, I think deanie-pie hit the bullseye above: Iowa Fan is a very patient guy. Far moar patient than Fan of many other schools. The patience awarded to Kurt early on paid off relatively quickly (by 4th year), and the 2002-2004 successes were enough to buy Kurt a shit-ton of good will that only just this season (yr 16) began to run out. Franc is still in the safe, warm cocoon of Hokk Fan patience. But by this time next year, if there have been no material improvements in teh program (and we have been shown nothing that suggests there will be), Franc will be feeling the wrath of Hokk Fan just liek Kurt is now. My words: mark them.
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Post by GhostMod 5000 on Dec 18, 2014 15:37:24 GMT -6
I know I give VeanDogs a lot of shit, but damn, the guy hits the nail on the head re: the shitty state of the BB program: At the end of the day a team is what it's record says it is. Lasts years team was a fringe NCAA team, that went 2-9 in games decided by 2 possessions or less. It was NOT a top 10 team, it was a fringe NCAA team, cause you look at the entire body of work, not just 1/2 or 2/3 or 9/10, but the ENTIRE body of work. Fran has had 1 team that was a surefire lock for the NCAA tourney in 5 years now, and that almost slipped away. I'm sorry, but that simply isn't getting it done. 5 years is all the time a football coach should get, a BB coach should get 3 years is all. It is sooooo much easier to turn around a BB program than it is a football program, as you only need a player or 2 to do so.
I actually kind of felt this way after year 3 to be honest, that was a team that was good enough to be a NCAA team, but they didn't get it done. I was patient, cause I realize year 4, he had a pretty loaded team, but they really let last year slip away. Yet I totally understand that as well, with what Fran was going through with his son. Now in year 5, once again, this is a team that could/should make the tourney. If he once again doesn't make it, in my mind that is 2 teams (this years and '12-'13 NIT team) that should have made it, but didn't, and the '13-'14 team underachieved big time with the finish they had.
I get that not many agree with me on this. I had actually not even wanted to go here and actually say anything.....then I figured why not? I'm not a negative guy, I realize we have a ton of time left this year, and I'm not convince this isn't a NCAA team, but I'm also not convinced it is. The goal is the NCAA tourney, and it is about results.....I'm out of "Almosts" come year 5. No more "almost" getting to the NCAA. No more "almost" getting a top recruit. In year 5 the almosts should be a think of the past, and it should be about results. For me as a fan, if we aren't a NCAA team at the end of this year, I have no faith that Fran can get it done in years 6 and beyond.hawkeyenation.com/forum/showthread.php?68461-If-we-miss-the-dance-this-year/page2The funny thing is, he says he's fucking afraid to bring this up in HN? Seriously? I don't understand how so many can have blinding rage to Kurt's mediocrity, but criticism of Fran's mediocrity ist verboten? WTF? To maybe clear up your confusion about the position of curt vs fran on the Hate-O-Meter, I think deanie-pie hit the bullseye above: Iowa Fan is a very patient guy. Far moar patient than Fan of many other schools. The patience awarded to Kurt early on paid off relatively quickly (by 4th year), and the 2002-2004 successes were enough to buy Kurt a shit-ton of good will that only just this season (yr 16) began to run out. Franc is still in the safe, warm cocoon of Hokk Fan patience. But by this time next year, if there have been no material improvements in teh program (and we have been shown nothing that suggests there will be), Franc will be feeling the wrath of Hokk Fan just liek Kurt is now. My words: mark them. The patience aspect kind of falls to pieces when we were sold "doing it the right way" while Fred locked and loaded immediately and has made tournament runs, while the upperclassmen from a top 25 recruiting class in our program are fucking terrible. No, what I don't like about Fran is the fact that the outlook looks terrible, not what he has or hasn't (mostly hasn't) accomplished so far. Recruiting has been below average the past three consecutive years, players aren't developing, and we're not getting beat, but getting annihilated, against top flight competition. The only silver lining I see in the future is his ginger ass kid whose's a HS stud, although my fear is that he'll be limited athletically and fail to develop a shot just like 80% of the kids under Franc's tutelage.
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Post by NOTTHOR on Dec 19, 2014 6:00:12 GMT -6
To maybe clear up your confusion about the position of curt vs fran on the Hate-O-Meter, I think deanie-pie hit the bullseye above: Iowa Fan is a very patient guy. Far moar patient than Fan of many other schools. The patience awarded to Kurt early on paid off relatively quickly (by 4th year), and the 2002-2004 successes were enough to buy Kurt a shit-ton of good will that only just this season (yr 16) began to run out. Franc is still in the safe, warm cocoon of Hokk Fan patience. But by this time next year, if there have been no material improvements in teh program (and we have been shown nothing that suggests there will be), Franc will be feeling the wrath of Hokk Fan just liek Kurt is now. My words: mark them. The patience aspect kind of falls to pieces when we were sold "doing it the right way" while Fred locked and loaded immediately and has made tournament runs, while the upperclassmen from a top 25 recruiting class in our program are fucking terrible. No, what I don't like about Fran is the fact that the outlook looks terrible, not what he has or hasn't (mostly hasn't) accomplished so far. Recruiting has been below average the past three consecutive years, players aren't developing, and we're not getting beat, but getting annihilated, against top flight competition. The only silver lining I see in the future is his ginger ass kid whose's a HS stud, although my fear is that he'll be limited athletically and fail to develop a shot just like 80% of the kids under Franc's tutelage. Unless Franc's mailman was the Mail Man, I doubt his kid is gonna be any good. Liek okay, maybe he'll be almost Matt Gatens good or some shit by the time he is a junior, but we need a fuck of a lot moar than that. What color his kid?
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Post by Deleted on Dec 19, 2014 6:10:44 GMT -6
The patience aspect kind of falls to pieces when we were sold "doing it the right way" while Fred locked and loaded immediately and has made tournament runs, while the upperclassmen from a top 25 recruiting class in our program are fucking terrible. No, what I don't like about Fran is the fact that the outlook looks terrible, not what he has or hasn't (mostly hasn't) accomplished so far. Recruiting has been below average the past three consecutive years, players aren't developing, and we're not getting beat, but getting annihilated, against top flight competition. The only silver lining I see in the future is his ginger ass kid whose's a HS stud, although my fear is that he'll be limited athletically and fail to develop a shot just like 80% of the kids under Franc's tutelage. Unless Franc's mailman was the Mail Man, I doubt his kid is gonna be any good. Liek okay, maybe he'll be almost Matt Gatens good or some shit by the time he is a junior, but we need a fuck of a lot moar than that. What color his kid?
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Post by GhostMod 5000 on Dec 19, 2014 7:34:57 GMT -6
Oh thanks God...he has dark hair!
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Post by NotMyKid on Dec 19, 2014 11:10:08 GMT -6
Unless Franc's mailman was the Mail Man, I doubt his kid is gonna be any good. Liek okay, maybe he'll be almost Matt Gatens good or some shit by the time he is a junior, but we need a fuck of a lot moar than that. What color his kid? He's only a sophomore this year, Fran needs next year's class to be a big help not his son who by the time he puts on an Iowa jersey will be playing with only the current freshmen on this year's team. Kid is legit however (at least ESPN thinks so) Top 25 kid in his class. But I would say at this point it's about 50/50 if his dad will still be coaching at Iowa in 3 years.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 19, 2014 11:13:16 GMT -6
He's only a sophomore this year, Fran needs next year's class to be a big help not his son who by the time he puts on an Iowa jersey will be playing with only the current freshmen on this year's team. Kid is legit however (at least ESPN thinks so) Top 25 kid in his class. But I would say at this point it's about 50/50 if his dad will still be coaching at Iowa in 3 years. In Bary Garta's mind, Connor is worth a contract extension.
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Post by TaterWanger on Dec 19, 2014 11:49:32 GMT -6
I dont talk about this much but i spend the better part of ten years officiating youth basketball in Iowa, Minnesota, and Wisconsin. That includes some high level 18u shit. Connor Mcaffery is the best young basketball player I have ever seen. The way he saw the floor and understood the game as a seventh grader wus just freaky. Now obviously he wasnt as athletic as paige and barnes but he was a much better player comming up. He could dominate without scoring a point both offensvely and defensively. Now I dont know what happens as he develops but I can tell you this. If I had the option of one kid out of all the ones I saw it wood be connor. Id take him over Paige, Barnes, Bohannon, Woody... All of them
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Post by Earl Slick on Dec 19, 2014 11:57:57 GMT -6
Don't h8 cuz I'm right about everything. What'd we beat storied, in-state-rival iowa state by? As Grantland Rice once wrote: "For when the One Great Scorer comes To mark against your name, He writes – not that you won or lost – But how you played the Game." sounds like Grantland lost a lot.
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Post by GhostMod 5000 on Dec 19, 2014 12:05:29 GMT -6
I dont talk about this much but i spend the better part of ten years officiating youth basketball in Iowa, Minnesota, and Wisconsin. That includes some high level 18u shit. Connor Mcaffery is the best young basketball player I have ever seen. The way he saw the floor and understood the game as a seventh grader wus just freaky. Now obviously he wasnt as athletic as paige and barnes but he was a much better player comming up. He could dominate without scoring a point both offensvely and defensively. Now I dont know what happens as he develops but I can tell you this. If I had the option of one kid out of all the ones I saw it wood be connor. Id take him over Paige, Barnes, Bohannon, Woody... All of them Ok, that only worries me more. Sometimes you have a really athletic kid who can dominate kids who haven't developed yet, and then once everyone gets older, he no longer dominates like he did (*cough* Peter Jok *cough*), or a kid who is bigger than everyone else, who then gets into a situation where other guys are as big and strong, and he doesn't dominate like he did (*cough* Adam Woodbury *cough*). I think that can go likewise for a kid who "understands the game" when he's 14.
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Post by GhostMod 5000 on Dec 19, 2014 12:29:13 GMT -6
At least KF has accomplished something. At least one of his kids was a decent FB player.
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Post by Earl Slick on Dec 19, 2014 12:46:04 GMT -6
At least KF has accomplished something. Yes, he coined a two word phrase that is so utilitarian there is seemingly no end to it's many applications.
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Post by Earl Slick on Dec 19, 2014 13:15:47 GMT -6
At least KF has accomplished something. First time, long time... Wut three things haz he accomplished? I'll hang up now and listen for your answer. Bowl Championships.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 19, 2014 13:31:20 GMT -6
First time, long time... Wut three things haz he accomplished? I'll hang up now and listen for your answer. Bowl Championships. Das einz. Zwei? Drei?
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