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Post by Chuck Storm on Apr 17, 2008 15:44:04 GMT -6
What federal taxes are there that individuals pay are regressive? Telephone tax. Cable tax. Gas tax. Stamps. Landing fees/TSA security fees. Are there others? Those are all use taxes. So now the theory is that the poors don't get enough back in Earned Income Tax Credit, Medicaid, Medicare, and Social Security, now they don't even need to carry any weight for federal use taxes? Wow, the depth of Barry's economic genius is amazing. That'll get Iowafan on baord. None of the taxes you mentioned is regressive. They're not progressive, but that doesn't make them regressive.
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Post by NOTTHOR on Apr 17, 2008 15:52:16 GMT -6
What federal taxes are there that individuals pay are regressive? Telephone tax. Cable tax. Gas tax. Stamps. Landing fees/TSA security fees. Are there others? Those are all use taxes. So now the theory is that the poors don't get enough back in Earned Income Tax Credit, Medicaid, Medicare, and Social Security, now they don't even need to carry any weight for federal use taxes? Wow, the depth of Barry's economic genius is amazing. That'll get Iowafan on baord. None of the taxes you mentioned is regressive. They're not progressive, but that doesn't make them regressive. To the extent the taxed activity of any of them is deemed a necessity, they are regressive. For instance, the $3 a month universal service mouthbreather tax for telephone service takes a higher percentage of the income of someone making $1,000 a month than someone making $10,000 a month. I read through Barry's schtick a few weeks ago, and he had a big rant about eliminating the regressiveness of socialist insecurity, too, which is code for removing the cap. There was no mention of raising benefits payable for those who pay more, which is code for Marxism.
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Post by lpcalihawk on Apr 17, 2008 15:57:24 GMT -6
Are you sure you guys are lawyers and not economists?
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Post by Chuck Storm on Apr 17, 2008 16:51:43 GMT -6
None of the taxes you mentioned is regressive. They're not progressive, but that doesn't make them regressive. To the extent the taxed activity of any of them is deemed a necessity, they are regressive. For instance, the $3 a month universal service mouthbreather tax for telephone service takes a higher percentage of the income of someone making $1,000 a month than someone making $10,000 a month. I read through Barry's schtick a few weeks ago, and he had a big rant about eliminating the regressiveness of socialist insecurity, too, which is code for removing the cap. There was no mention of raising benefits payable for those who pay more, which is code for Marxism. Look, just because the "progressives" have tried to coopt the term regressive doesn't mean I'm going to use it in that adulterated and illegitimate fashion. The taxes you are referring to are largely proportional (i.e. the tax is proportional to the amount of the activity engaged in or the person's income). If you have 1 house with telephone service, you pay $3. If you have 2 houses, you pay $6. The amount paid is proportional to the amount used, even if it's not proportional to the users income. Social security is moderately regressive (in that taxes are capped at a certain income level), but that's only because we cap the amount that high earners can take out of the system, not because there's some nefarious plot to soak the poor at the expense of the rich (and characterizing any system that transfers wealth from rich to poor - as social security does - as regressive strikes me as the ultimate in Obamian liberal neo-marxist spin).
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Post by NOTTHOR on Apr 18, 2008 7:20:18 GMT -6
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Post by phenry on Apr 21, 2008 15:09:53 GMT -6
Don't worry Iafan. The 60% majority who pays 3% or so of federal income taxes will vote someone into power who will determine that any family that ever broke into that 40% group who pays 97% of the income taxes is not "needy" and thus not deservant of getting anything "back" from Social Security. And when Barry eliminates the cap and forces you to pay more, you should be thankful because we will be one step closer to the liberal fascist utopian dream that the modern left wants to make of the country. I did manage to talk one person out of donating to Barry yesterday. He was rambling on and on about how awesome Barry is, then I told him about the lifting of the Social Security cap. The guy prolly makes 6 or 700 hundred a year, enough to pay Unkie Same a lot change and still eke out a decent middle class livelihood. I saw him pause and run the numbers, he thought about the 50 grand or so extra it would cost per year, and then said, "Well, maybe Barry doesn't need my money, he'll get plenty of it later if he gets elected." Yes, we should all feel sorry for the family that makes 600,000 a year. Poor folks, just don't know how they will manage if Barry gets elected. I guess they will be in the soup kitchens with the rest of poors that you despise. You need to go on Dr. Phil and work out your childhood issues about poverty. Make?!?! How about EARN!!! Making is what people who get handouts do, earn is what those of us stuck with that bill do!
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Post by phenry on Apr 21, 2008 15:16:27 GMT -6
What federal taxes are there that individuals pay are regressive? Telephone tax. Cable tax. Gas tax. Stamps. Landing fees/TSA security fees. Are there others? Those are all use taxes. So now the theory is that the poors don't get enough back in Earned Income Tax Credit, Medicaid, Medicare, and Social Security, now they don't even need to carry any weight for federal use taxes? Wow, the depth of Barry's economic genius is amazing. That'll get Iowafan on baord. None of the taxes you mentioned is regressive. They're not progressive, but that doesn't make them regressive. Why should ANY progressive tax be accepted? What happened to the equal protection clause? Why should it not apply to taxation? Let's have a spending discussion along with the takings discussion! Here is some neato information on the Feds spending habits. Worse than a heroin addict on field trip to Afghanistan! www.heritage.org/research/budget/A little better reading than Barry's hope that we will have money to make the change he threatens!
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Post by NOTTHOR on Apr 21, 2008 15:30:46 GMT -6
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