Soooo that whole Obamacare thing seems to be working..

[A boy named Sioux]

I have a hard time believing your plan pays for anything.

[LansingHawk]

Apr 2, 2014 14:38:03 GMT -6 A boy named Sioux said:

I have a hard time believing your plan pays for anything.

Bronze plan thru Coventry. $1000 deductible, $6k per person max. per year, $10 copay at Dr office, prescriptions (of which we now have none) start at $10, just to name a few highlights. Wife had to have some "cardiac studies" done, insurance paid for all but $50. Only time we've used to date.

[LansingHawk]

You have to shop around with all the different plans to find what fits your needs and budget. Right now my budget is a little thin.

[NotMyKid]

Apr 2, 2014 14:47:18 GMT -6 LansingHawk said:

Apr 2, 2014 14:38:03 GMT -6 A boy named Sioux said:

I have a hard time believing your plan pays for anything.

Bronze plan thru Coventry. $1000 deductible, $6k per person max. per year, $10 copay at Dr office, prescriptions (of which we now have none) start at $10, just to name a few highlights. Wife had to have some "cardiac studies" done, insurance paid for all but $50. Only time we've used to date.

Brah, there ain't no bronze plan through Coventry with a $1000 deductible try $5,600 and also have fun if you need meds as the medical deductible applies before there is coverage.

[Master Blaster]

Apr 2, 2014 13:46:19 GMT -6 thunderhawk said:

Apr 2, 2014 13:41:43 GMT -6 NotMyKid said:

You are aware that there are plenty of doctors that are no longer accepting new Medicare patients correct?

Yep. I'm also aware that an accelerating percentage of the population is Medicare-eligible. So there's a disconnect and a dilemma going on here. These docs, clinics, and whatnot will be able to steer this skiff for a while, but the wave that is demographics always eventually wins.

And with this





demonstrating the mentality of your average 'Murkan, we are, my friend, quite unrighteously fucked.

And this also explains why we are at the mercy of all politicians who know that they will be forgotten or not held accountable except in the case of an egregious act.


Edit: thank fucking goodness I have Tricare for myself and the family. To cover our family here through my current job would have been 1200/ month. That is near one of the bi weekly pay checks I get. Given I make more than a lot of the employees in the county, I wonder how any of them ever find a way to success.
This country's sense of right and wrong is really getting fucked up.

[LansingHawk]

Apr 2, 2014 16:58:50 GMT -6 NotMyKid said:

Apr 2, 2014 14:47:18 GMT -6 LansingHawk said:

Bronze plan thru Coventry. $1000 deductible, $6k per person max. per year, $10 copay at Dr office, prescriptions (of which we now have none) start at $10, just to name a few highlights. Wife had to have some "cardiac studies" done, insurance paid for all but $50. Only time we've used to date.

Brah, there ain't no bronze plan through Coventry with a $1000 deductible try $5,600 and also have fun if you need meds as the medical deductible applies before there is coverage.

Wrong, already picked up one for $10. And just looked again, deductible is a grand each.

[thunderhawk]

Apr 2, 2014 17:27:02 GMT -6 Master Blaster said:

Apr 2, 2014 13:46:19 GMT -6 thunderhawk said:

Yep. I'm also aware that an accelerating percentage of the population is Medicare-eligible. So there's a disconnect and a dilemma going on here. These docs, clinics, and whatnot will be able to steer this skiff for a while, but the wave that is demographics always eventually wins.

And with this





demonstrating the mentality of your average 'Murkan, we are, my friend, quite unrighteously fucked.

And this also explains why we are at the mercy of all politicians who know that they will be forgotten or not held accountable except in the case of an egregious act.


Edit: thank fucking goodness I have Tricare for myself and the family. To cover our family here through my current job would have been 1200/ month. That is near one of the bi weekly pay checks I get. Given I make more than a lot of the employees in the county, I wonder how any of them ever find a way to success.
This country's sense of right and wrong is really getting fucked up.

I'd say it's been royally fucked up for quite some time, especially amongst the political elite and their sugar daddy masters of the universe.

Shit, just look at the massive discrepancy between what we spend on seniors versus what we spend on kids.

America, ur doin it wrong.

That who're Palin lied about death panels, but maybe the bitch unwittingly uncorked a grand idea.

[NotMyKid]

Apr 2, 2014 18:09:19 GMT -6 LansingHawk said:

Apr 2, 2014 16:58:50 GMT -6 NotMyKid said:

Brah, there ain't no bronze plan through Coventry with a $1000 deductible try $5,600 and also have fun if you need meds as the medical deductible applies before there is coverage.

Wrong, already picked up one for $10. And just looked again, deductible is a grand each.

Then you either have a group plan or an older plan that isn't an ACA plan.

[Incogayno.]

Apr 3, 2014 8:11:23 GMT -6 NotMyKid said:

Apr 2, 2014 18:09:19 GMT -6 LansingHawk said:

Wrong, already picked up one for $10. And just looked again, deductible is a grand each.

Then you either have a group plan or an older plan that isn't an ACA plan.

Not true. I checked the marketplace myself. Not everyone sees the same plans. I saw some similar to what he is talking about. Not quite sure how it is decided on who sees what plans.

[#70]

prole status: confirmed

[NotMyKid]

Apr 3, 2014 8:17:06 GMT -6 @torquehager said:

you're as bad as oo44, Hoffa
stop trying to upsell CFHawk; he ain't in a buyin' mood

LOL.

I ain't upselling proles. Just trying to edumcate da masses that have no clue what the fuck they are talking about.



For the last time- Der ain't no Coventry silver plan with a $1000 deductible dat is unless you are an uber prole and qualify not only for a subsidy but also a cost sharing plan.

If you gotes one of those you ain't got a fucking pot to piss in and are just above expanded medicaid coverage. ie- bringing home like $16G's a year.

Baller.

[Ginger]

Apr 3, 2014 10:18:28 GMT -6 NotMyKid said:

Apr 3, 2014 8:17:06 GMT -6 @torquehager said:

you're as bad as oo44, Hoffa
stop trying to upsell CFHawk; he ain't in a buyin' mood

LOL.

I ain't upselling proles. Just trying to edumcate da masses that have no clue what the fuck they are talking about.



For the last time- Der ain't no Coventry silver plan with a $1000 deductible dat is unless you are an uber prole and qualify not only for a subsidy but also a cost sharing plan.

If you gotes one of those you ain't got a fucking pot to piss in and are just above expanded medicaid coverage. ie- bringing home like $16G's a year.

Baller.

I'm pretty sure CF says times are hard for him right now. Why do you think he's drinking straight gin at 3 in he afternoon? Have a heart man.

[Incogayno.]

Apr 3, 2014 10:18:28 GMT -6 NotMyKid said:

Apr 3, 2014 8:17:06 GMT -6 @torquehager said:

you're as bad as oo44, Hoffa
stop trying to upsell CFHawk; he ain't in a buyin' mood

LOL.

I ain't upselling proles. Just trying to edumcate da masses that have no clue what the fuck they are talking about.



For the last time- Der ain't no Coventry silver plan with a $1000 deductible dat is unless you are an uber prole and qualify not only for a subsidy but also a cost sharing plan.

If you gotes one of those you ain't got a fucking pot to piss in and are just above expanded medicaid coverage. ie- bringing home like $16G's a year.

Baller.

Well, he did mention he wasn't a baller like all you fucks.

[thunderhawk]

Reading this thread reinforces my response to a request to consider a run for congress:

LOL! FUCK NO.

Although I would love to blast away at these motherfuckers in public, I think I'll just stay here in the shadows.

Suffice it to say, my speeches and debates would make the news.

[The Resistance]

Apr 3, 2014 10:32:08 GMT -6 thunderhawk said:

Reading this thread reinforces my response to a request to consider a run for congress:

LOL! FUCK NO.

Although I would love to blast away at these motherfuckers in public, I think I'll just stay here in the shadows.

Suffice it to say, my speeches and debates would make the news.

Please run. I have never been to a political event in my life and yours would be my first. Trust me it would be newsworthy.

[thunderhawk]

Apr 3, 2014 11:07:25 GMT -6 The Resistance said:

Apr 3, 2014 10:32:08 GMT -6 thunderhawk said:

Reading this thread reinforces my response to a request to consider a run for congress:

LOL! FUCK NO.

Although I would love to blast away at these motherfuckers in public, I think I'll just stay here in the shadows.

Suffice it to say, my speeches and debates would make the news.

Please run. I have never been to a political event in my life and yours would be my first. Trust me it would be newsworthy.

Don't think I wouldn't bring up this:

talkingpointsmemo.com/dc/gop-social-security-medicare-freedom

The intense conservative ire for Obamacare may seem like an anomaly in American history. But it's eerily reminiscent of two other large -- and now widely popular -- expansions of the safety net: Social Security and Medicare.

The two programs are now a staple of American political culture. But a backward glance at the political environment during their inception reveals equally fierce, ugly antipathy from conservatives -- including screaming warnings that they'd be ruinous to freedom.

During the 1935 debate over Social Security, Republicans likened it to slavery and dictatorship.

"Never in the history of the world has any measure been brought here so insidiously designed as to prevent business recovery, to enslave workers and to prevent any possibility of the employers providing work for the people," said Rep. John Taber (R-NY).

"The lash of the dictator will be felt," said Rep. Daniel Reed (R-NY), "and 25 million free American citizens will for the first time submit themselves to a fingerprint test."

Rep. James W. Wadsworth (R-NY) cautioned that passage of Social Security would open the door to a government power "so vast, so powerful as to threaten the integrity of our institutions and to pull the pillars of the temple down upon the heads of our descendants...

..."If Medicare passes into law, the consequences will be dire beyond imagining," Reagan said. If opponents failed to scuttle it, he warned, "One of these days you and I are going to spend our sunset years telling our children, and our children’s children, what it once was like in America when men were free."

As I publicly skullfucked you.

[thunderhawk]

Sometimes, if you grant them anonymity or immunity, these callous fucks will tell the truth.

Beats torturing them to get the truth, I suppose.

One congressional GOP health aide, who was granted anonymity to speak candidly, said his party is as determined as ever to fight Obamacare, and will remain so as long as it exhibits failure. He said devising an alternative is fraught with the difficulty of crafting a new benefits structure that doesn't look like the Affordable Care Act.

"If you want to say the further and further this gets down the road, the harder and harder it gets to repeal, that's absolutely true," the aide said. "As far as repeal and replace goes, the problem with replace is that if you really want people to have these new benefits, it looks a hell of a lot like the Affordable Care Act. ... To make something like that work, you have to move in the direction of the ACA. You have to have a participating mechanism, you have to have a mechanism to fund it, you have to have a mechanism to fix parts of the market."

It sheds light on why Republicans haven't yet followed through on the "replace" component of their "repeal and replace" mantra, more than four years after Obamacare was enacted. The popular parts of the law, most notably the preexisting conditions guarantee, are unsustainable without unpopular parts like the individual mandate. Unraveling the parts people dislike means unraveling the whole structure, and rebuilding the well-liked elements is difficult without arriving at a similar place as Obamacare.

talkingpointsmemo.com/dc/republicans-new-obamacare-reality-no-repeal-without-replace

It's called "economics."

Memo to the GOP rubes: The MIT economists who devised ObamaRomneyCare are smarter than you are.

[LansingHawk]

The republicans do have a plan. Tort reform and buying across statelines. As far as I have heard that's about it.

[thunderhawk]

Apr 8, 2014 14:21:35 GMT -6 LansingHawk said:

The republicans do have a plan. Tort reform and buying across statelines. As far as I have heard that's about it.

Ah yes. Tort Deform: Penalizing the most heinously injured for the negligence of others, with the added bonus of encouraging more negligence.

And selling insurance across state lines, so insurers can set up shop in the state with the most lax regulations and shovel that fraudulent shit on the rest of America. Lowest common denominator. The GOP way.

BTW, there ARE death panels after all. AKA Teabagger Republicans.

I'd like to shoot a Teabagger Republican in the face.

orlandoweekly.com/news/death-of-an-orlando-woman-illustrates-perils-of-florida-s-refusal-to-expand-medicaid-1.1665144

Dill’s death was not unpredictable, nor was it unpreventable. She had a documented heart condition for which she took medication. But she also happened to be one of the people who fall within the gap created by the 2012 U.S. Supreme Court ruling that allowed states to opt out of Medicaid expansion, which was a key part of the Affordable Care Act’s intention to make health care available to everyone. In the ensuing two years, 23 states have refused to expand Medicaid, including Florida, which rejected $51 billion from the federal government over the period of a decade to overhaul its Medicaid program to include people like Dill and Woolrich – people who work, but do not make enough money to qualify for the Affordable Care Act’s subsidies. They, like many, are victims of a political war – one that puts the lives and health of up to 17,000 U.S. residents and 2,000 Floridians annually in jeopardy, all in the name of rebelling against President Barack Obama’s health care plan.

I lied.

I don't want to shoot a Republican Teabagger in the face. I want to shoot 'em all in the face. Every last fucking one of them. Line 'em up.

Now I know I should choose a mode of dispatching that causes far more pain and suffering, because reciprocity, but goddammit, these fuckers love them some guns, and if there's one thing I love, it's Karmic Irony.

So bang it is.*



*Shot teabagger won't actually hear that bang, since the bullet is traveling faster than the speed of sound and will have destroyed the audio sensory mechanisms before said sound would register. Think "final scene of the Sopranos."

[The Resistance]

"Negotiating with Obama is like playing chess with a pigeon....the pigeon knocks over all the pieces, shits on the board, and then struts around like it won the game".

[LansingHawk]

Apr 9, 2014 11:02:19 GMT -6 The Resistance said:

"Negotiating with Obama is like playing chess with a pigeon....the pigeon knocks over all the pieces, shits on the board, and then struts around like it won the game".

I saw the same meme, except it said "negotiating with republicans".

[thunderhawk]

the single thing we probably need to keep the most focus on is the tragedy of the lack of Medicaid expansions. I know you’ve written about this. You know about this, but I think we cannot talk enough about the absolute tragedy that’s taken place. Really, a life-costing tragedy has taken place in America as a result of that Supreme Court decision. You know, half the states in America are denying their poorest citizens health insurance paid for by the federal government.

...

They are not just not interested in covering poor people, they are willing to sacrifice billions of dollars of injections into their economy in order to punish poor people. It really is just almost awesome in its evilness.

www.washingtonmonthly.com/ten-miles-square/2014/04/almost_awesome_in_its_evilness049831.php

I'm a pretty solid negotiator.

Except when I confront evil. I just go ahead and take a flamethrower to that shit.

Remember, kids. It's not about crime. It's about prosecution.

[thunderhawk]

Any of you GOP deadenders yet ready to admit you've been hoodwinked, duped, and otherwise fed hypocrisy-laden shitsandwiches?

Allow me to help you along the road to enlightment:

abcnews.go.com/Politics/wireStory/obamacare-critics-accepted-subsidies-23245556

The Koch consortium may be the loudest "Obamacare" critic among the subsidized employers. But many others accepted the subsidies while heavily backing GOP House and Senate candidates, most of who call for repealing the 2010 health care law.

For instance, United Parcel Service received $37 million from the program's subsidies for early retirees. From 1989 through this year, political action committees affiliated with UPS donated $32 million to federal candidates and political parties. Of that, 64 percent went to Republicans, according to records compiled by the Center for Responsive Politics.

Union Pacific Railroad's employee health system received $9.7 million in subsidies. Republicans received more than two-thirds of the nearly $20 million in political donations from the railroad's PACs in the 25-year period tracked by the center.

Altria Client Services Inc. received nearly $11 million in the early retiree subsidies. And Republicans received 71 percent of the nearly $24 million in Altria-related political donations from 1989 to 2014.

One of the biggest subsidy recipients was AT&T, at $213 million. More than half of the $56 million in AT&T-related political donations went to Republicans during the 25-year period.

Spokesmen for AT&T and Altria did not respond to requests for comments about accepting "Obamacare" subsidies while funding candidates who want to repeal the law.

BUT PATIENT CENTERED ARRRRRRRGGHH

BUT GOVERNMENT TAKEOVER ARRRRRRRGGHH



SRSLY wake the fuck up.

[Other]

Apr 9, 2014 11:02:19 GMT -6 The Resistance said:

"Negotiating with Obama is like playing chess with a pigeon....the pigeon knocks over all the pieces, shits on the board, and then struts around like it won the game".

You put that in quotes but you give no attribution, who said that?

Fun fact - the origins of that saying (as best as can be determined with such things) came from a user submitted review on Amazon of the book Evolution vs. Creationism: An Introduction. The quote reads as follows "Debating creationists on the topic of evolution is rather like trying to play chess with a pigeon — it knocks the pieces over, craps on the board, and flies back to its flock to claim victory.

The pro-creationist reviewers of this book clearly demonstrate this to be true.
-Scott D. Weitzenhoffer

Read more at www.snopes.com/politics/quotes/pigeonchess.asp#fIZ2yyJDujTXrsem.99

[#70]

Chux an awsum cheerleader.