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Post by The Resistance on Dec 13, 2014 1:18:15 GMT -6
When a talented team gets red hot liek ISUck did, you're fucked right in the butthole. Best just to flush it and not let it beat you twice I talked to a friend of mine tonight who has been a D1 coach and spent years as a assistant. The talent gap is bad and he informed me Drake had even quit recruiting Brady Ellington and he about shit when he saw him in the game. He said it was the worst defensive scheme he has ever seen and was outright pissed at Fran for his inability to make any coaching corrections defensively. The way Iowa shoots the ball, and their half court game they aren't going to win a offensive shoot out. 90 at Carver. This one is on you Fran.
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Post by GhostMod 5000 on Dec 13, 2014 8:09:01 GMT -6
so many of the clown players I can't tell if they are white or black... I had the same thought. It looks liek a team composed entirely of Cosby kids, with they light ass skin. Are a couple of them Arab turrists? I am sure Nader is, but is Naz Long one as well?
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Post by GhostMod 5000 on Dec 13, 2014 8:23:48 GMT -6
When a talented team gets red hot liek ISUck did, you're fucked right in the butthole. Best just to flush it and not let it beat you twice I talked to a friend of mine tonight who has been a D1 coach and spent years as a assistant. The talent gap is bad and he informed me Drake had even quit recruiting Brady Ellington and he about shit when he saw him in the game. He said it was the worst defensive scheme he has ever seen and was outright pissed at Fran for his inability to make any coaching corrections defensively. The way Iowa shoots the ball, and their half court game they aren't going to win a offensive shoot out. 90 at Carver. This one is on you Fran. I have been saying shit liek this 18 months, and no one wanted to hear it. I knew the game was over 10 minutes in, when Iowa was down liek 5 or something, and they were just grinding like hell to get a basket, and they got one, and I thought "If they have to work this hard to catch up a 5 point deficit, then when Ames gets hot, and they will, we aren't built to catch up. Of course, by get hot, I didn't think we'd just leave jump shooters open at the 3point line, but hey. Also, Woodberry might have had his worst game as a Hok last night. He was completely over matched defensively (WHY WAS WOODBERRY GUARDING NIANG OFF THE DRIBBLE 40 FEET FROM THE BASKET FRAN, AND WHEN THE INEVITABLE HAPPENED, AND THEY GOT AN EASY LAYUP, WHY DID IT HAPPEN AGAIN AND AGAIN? ), but even worse, 6'6" Dustin Houge OWNED his ass on the boards. If you have a high pain tolerance, rewatch the game with an eye on Woodbury without the ball. It was a sight to behold. Finally, 90 on Carver isn't on Fran...it's on Fred, bince he was nice enough to keep it under 100. Yeah, he kept his starters in the whole game, but he also put the brakes on them when they were up by 25. He fucking mercy ruled us on our own coach. Like HFN, I think I'm done with this BB season as well. I've seen all I need to see. And yeah, a lot of the big boys in the BoneG suck, and we might make some noise, but who gives a shit.
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Post by BrainFerentz4Prez on Dec 13, 2014 8:27:34 GMT -6
When a talented team gets red hot liek ISUck did, you're fucked right in the butthole. Best just to flush it and not let it beat you twice I talked to a friend of mine tonight who has been a D1 coach and spent years as a assistant. The talent gap is bad and he informed me Drake had even quit recruiting Brady Ellington and he about shit when he saw him in the game. He said it was the worst defensive scheme he has ever seen and was outright pissed at Fran for his inability to make any coaching corrections defensively. The way Iowa shoots the ball, and their half court game they aren't going to win a offensive shoot out. 90 at Carver. This one is on you Fran. Your friend must be the worst coach ever. We didn't loose because of scheme. We lost because of our continued inability to stretch and space the offensive floor due to poor three point shooting, a five minute stretch where we turned the ball over like it was our job (partially because we couldn't keep the floor spaced), and an outstanding performance by a couple of their players. This didn't turn into a track meet until we got down by 20 after their huge run which at that point was our only shot at getting back into the game. At half this was looking to be the kind of game we needed to have a shot, a 70 to 65 type of contest.
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Post by egadsto on Dec 13, 2014 9:44:30 GMT -6
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Post by egadsto on Dec 13, 2014 9:52:04 GMT -6
How are those ^^ glaring deficiencies NOT Franc's fault or responsibility?? JFC you sound like a curt apologist now: "it's not the fault of the coach when the shitbag players that he recruits and 'teaches' suck ass! It isn't!!" Yeah, in fact it is. Time for some tough love.
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Post by The Resistance on Dec 13, 2014 10:12:44 GMT -6
Poor shooting, poor spacing, and a lack of any sort of half court game have been a persistent problem, and last night was no different. The clones put 90 on the board in Carver, and as ghost said they could have put up a 100. That was Grinnell College level defense last night and Francis was completely out coached last night.
If you have no talent and can't get the ball in the hole, you better learn to play defense.
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Post by FoxHuntChampion on Dec 13, 2014 10:15:46 GMT -6
Or you may not want to give up 5 turnovers / fast breaks for layups in a row. That doesn't bode well either.
Here's what you need to know: our whole team is white.
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Post by BrainFerentz4Prez on Dec 13, 2014 10:18:50 GMT -6
How are those ^^ glaring deficiencies NOT Franc's fault or responsibility?? JFC you sound like a curt apologist now: "it's not the fault of the coach when the shitbag players that he recruits and 'teaches' suck ass! It isn't!!" Yeah, in fact it is. I never said it wasn't fans fault. I said it wasn't an X's and O's scheme strategy thing.
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Post by egadsto on Dec 13, 2014 11:19:45 GMT -6
Or you may not want to give up 5 turnovers / fast breaks for layups in a row. That doesn't bode well either. Here's what you need to know: our whole team is white. I believe the ISU run was
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Post by GhostMod 5000 on Dec 13, 2014 12:53:09 GMT -6
I think Jeff Settles should be Iowa bb coach. He was very enthusiastic on btn. But not scary liek Franc. Also, Settles is to Iowa like father flannigan is to isu. Except for the NBA part, and dreaminess. Look, i've been much more down on Frannc than most Hok fans before last night, but I still wasn't liek "DURRRR FIRE FRAN!" Honestly though, after watching us play poorly against any decent team this year (yeah, we beat UNC, but we played like SHIT), I am beginning to wonder what the fuck Fran has been doing as coach? Yeah, yeah, we're not losing to Campbell anymoar, but you don't get credit for the axiomatic shit you're supposed to do. Has talent been developing well? Marble did, White did, Olesani did, and...? Basabe got worse, Oglesbey has gotten worse, Gesell has gotten worse, Woodberry never got better, Uthoff isn't any better than he was last year. When is the last time we won a game and you thought "We won because Fran outcoached that guy"? In his time as coach, Franc's greatest accomplishments have been getting good with high ranked recruits (that went elsewhere), almost getting a winning record in BoneG play, and a NIT runner-up banner. Now, 5 years in, this team is worse than last year's, and next year's will probably be worse than the year before. Unless his kid turns into another Dougie Buckets, I don't think he has much time left. Also, to give a little optimism, I think we will probably beat UNI.
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Post by livingintheusa on Dec 13, 2014 15:13:36 GMT -6
I'm not so sure you understand how bad the last two hires before Fran were and what a terrible shape the program was in.
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Post by GhostMod 5000 on Dec 13, 2014 15:51:13 GMT -6
I'm not so sure you understand how bad the last two hires before Fran were and what a terrible shape the program was in. I completely understand. One, that excuse doesn't fly after 5 years, and two, it doesn't account for the program trending down from last year, which no one can blame on Lick.
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Post by BrainFerentz4Prez on Dec 13, 2014 16:50:58 GMT -6
I'm not so sure you understand how bad the last two hires before Fran were and what a terrible shape the program was in. I completely understand. One, that excuse doesn't fly after 5 years, and two, it doesn't account for the program trending down from last year, which no one can blame on Lick. He's progressed the program in each of his previous four seasons, a small one year backslide isn't really cause for concern. What is cause for concern is the lack of young talent on the roster. I fink Uhl can be a solid contributor and Ellington might be able to shoot it a little bit but I certainly don't see a difference maker anywhere on the roster. When White was a freshman you knew he was capable of being a great player. I don't see that anywhere on the roster right now. Of course a couple of a jewco's cood change that but based on previous results won oneders if he can get that done either. Also I fink peeps are a bit hard on little ginger. He's struggled trying to score because this team lacks a perimeter scorer. That's forced him into a combo guard role which was never really his spot. He lead the league in assist to turnover last year and probably will again this year. He had seven assist on Friday to zero turnovers. I'll tske that out of my point guard any day, even with a bad shooting night.
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Post by GhostMod 5000 on Dec 13, 2014 17:03:30 GMT -6
I completely understand. One, that excuse doesn't fly after 5 years, and two, it doesn't account for the program trending down from last year, which no one can blame on Lick. He's progressed the program in each of his previous four seasons, a small one year backslide isn't really cause for concern. What is cause for concern is the lack of young talent on the roster. That is what I said when I mentioned that future does not look bright. His freshman recruits in the past two seasons are Jok, Uhl, and Ellingson. Next year's recruiting class, despite the fact all of the mouthbreathers at HN are fapping over it, is ranked something like 9th or 10th in teh BoneG. White and Olesani are not only the two best players on the team right now, but they are the only two guys who could play for a contending team. We play a 9 man rotation, and 7 of them are seniors and juniors...and we still can't run a cogent offensive system.
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Post by FoxHuntChampion on Dec 13, 2014 17:14:52 GMT -6
he's progressed from not recruiting d2 guys to getting the bottom of the barrel d1 guys, and it isn't progressing from there. There isn't one dude on that team capable of taking anyone off the dribble. Not one. There also isn't one guy that can consistently shoot. So we have guys who can't shoot or drive. You know what that means? We suck.
Unless he can figure out a way to pull recruits, he isn't the future of Iowa basketball. We need to hire Dallas Clark or something to coach basketball.
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Post by GhostMod 5000 on Dec 13, 2014 17:26:24 GMT -6
he's progressed from not recruiting d2 guys to getting the bottom of the barrel d1 guys, and it isn't progressing from there. There isn't one dude on that team capable of taking anyone off the dribble. Not one. There also isn't one guy that can consistently shoot. So we have guys who can't shoot or drive. You know what that means? We suck. Unless he can figure out a way to pull recruits, he isn't the future of Iowa basketball. We need to hire Dallas Clark or something to coach basketball. We have three top 100 recruits on the team in Uthoff, Woodbury, and Gesell, and Oglesby was a top 150 recruit. So recruiting shitty players in the past wasn't an issue...it is now, but it wasn't before. The problem is Oglesby sucks, Woodbury kind of sucks, Gesell doesn't have a fucking role on the team after three years, and Uthoff doesn't know what to do with the ball in his hands. Fran is getting (supposed) talent, he just either can't develop it, or put them in situations where they can be successful.
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Post by FoxHuntChampion on Dec 13, 2014 17:31:09 GMT -6
he's progressed from not recruiting d2 guys to getting the bottom of the barrel d1 guys, and it isn't progressing from there. There isn't one dude on that team capable of taking anyone off the dribble. Not one. There also isn't one guy that can consistently shoot. So we have guys who can't shoot or drive. You know what that means? We suck. Unless he can figure out a way to pull recruits, he isn't the future of Iowa basketball. We need to hire Dallas Clark or something to coach basketball. We have three top 100 recruits on the team in Uthoff, Woodbury, and Gesell, and Oglesby was a top 150 recruit. So recruiting shitty players in the past wasn't an issue...it is now, but it wasn't before. The problem is Oglesby sucks, Woodbury kind of sucks, Gesell doesn't have a fucking role on the team after three years, and Uthoff doesn't know what to do with the ball in his hands. Fran is getting (supposed) talent, he just either can't develop it, or put them in situations where they can be successful. You think I care what they were ranked? Dude, they were nearly all Iowa kids and they aren't good. I don't give a rip if they were highly ranked, they aren't good. So now you are telling me he can't identify talent. Great. He needs to get kids that are actually good and can actually shoot. And drive. And rebound. And black.
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Post by FoxHuntChampion on Dec 13, 2014 17:41:38 GMT -6
WE SHOULD RECRUIT LIKE ARIZONA.
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Post by NOTTHOR on Dec 13, 2014 18:04:09 GMT -6
We have three top 100 recruits on the team in Uthoff, Woodbury, and Gesell, and Oglesby was a top 150 recruit. So recruiting shitty players in the past wasn't an issue...it is now, but it wasn't before. The problem is Oglesby sucks, Woodbury kind of sucks, Gesell doesn't have a fucking role on the team after three years, and Uthoff doesn't know what to do with the ball in his hands. Fran is getting (supposed) talent, he just either can't develop it, or put them in situations where they can be successful. You think I care what they were ranked? Dude, they were nearly all Iowa kids and they aren't good. I don't give a rip if they were highly ranked, they aren't good. So now you are telling me he can't identify talent. Great. He needs to get kids that are actually good and can actually shoot. And drive. And rebound. And black. Wif the benefit of hindsight, the best Iowa class in the past 6 years, looking past the rankings and focusing on whether guys can actually competently play college basketball, was Lickliter's final class, which included Brust and Marble. Those are the only two legitimate Big Ten caliber starters that have signed on the dotted line at Iowa. Fran has recruited a bunch of other guys who are legit 6th through 8th men. If Woodbury could fucking jump and finish, he might develop into a guy who could start for moast good big ten teams. We really, really, really need to hire a black coach who can land one kid a year out of the Chicago Public League (and not liek that fucking scrub Fran got).
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Post by BrainFerentz4Prez on Dec 13, 2014 19:22:01 GMT -6
So less white magik and more black magik?
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Post by FoxHuntChampion on Dec 13, 2014 19:24:11 GMT -6
So less white magik and more black magik? if we get more white magik, please let them be able to shoot like most white magik guys playing d1 ball
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Post by BrainFerentz4Prez on Dec 13, 2014 19:26:35 GMT -6
I will say this. The bottom for Fran appears to be bubble teams 7-9 in conference play teams and I am fine with that as long as the ceiling aint 9-7 bubble teams.
That and I am still really really confused about wut happenrd last year.
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Post by NOTTHOR on Dec 13, 2014 20:04:42 GMT -6
I will say this. The bottom for Fran appears to be bubble teams 7-9 in conference play teams and I am fine with that as long as the ceiling aint 9-7 bubble teams. That and I am still really really confused about wut happenrd last year. Aren't there 18 conference games now? I suspect Fran is gonna beat the truly abysmal teams, liek PSU, Purdue, Norfwestern, Butgers, moar often than not, and land a few wins against decent teams, but he's gonna shit the bed plenty. This is his team and it ain't gonna be pretty in the Big Ten.
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Post by FoxHuntChampion on Dec 13, 2014 20:10:56 GMT -6
Did Iowa recruit washpun?
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