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Post by Solar Stud on Feb 12, 2015 10:15:35 GMT -6
Hey Seff, (I can't call you by my name, by the way, do Seth's out-number other peeps names on this here site?) I looked up dasolar, and they aren't a northern iowa company, they contract out to local installers to do the quoting for them. I'm sure you could save another 30% on the cost by doing some of the leg work yourself, as in vetting a local solar installer to do an evaluation, ordering a complete kit from www.wholesalesolar.com/gridtie.html and find out how much they would charge to pull all the permits and install. SolarWorld panels are pretty much top of the line, and US made but they do come at somewhat of a premium, you could save some by going with a chinese made panel, but will lose some of the efficiency. Thanks man...yeah, I was using the Ottumwa-north installer....I know the guy who knew my parents, blah blah. I'll definitely check around/sdk
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Post by Solar Stud on Feb 12, 2015 10:20:41 GMT -6
Let me see if I have this straight... Monopolistic private energy companies/suppliers are bad now, Seff? Since when? Does your opposition to private energy companies include Kockh Industries? I thought you were a big loud proponent of The Invisible Hand dictating market supply and pricing? Alternative energy initiatives, encouraged and supported by Big Gov't (in the form of tax credits and other investments), are good now? Since when? I thought you were a big loud opponent of Big Gov't and it's "interference in the lives of citizens!!"?? A tax credit sounds an awful lot like a handout from Uncle Sugar. You sure you want to accept handouts that are subsidized by net taxpayers like me and ok4p? Where does it end with you goddam greedy "ME FIRST!!" republicunts?? Step off the ledge Vintage. I was waiting for your outburst.....you rarely disappoint. Never said monop-Util's were bad....but their business model has reached its end. Land line phones, CD players, etc....solar is a disruptive technology....current Util's need to change/adapt is all. But noooo...what do they do? Try to squash the new guy...fight them....sue them, on and on....all for naught. As I said....dinosaur, meet mouse. And what invisible hand is there that is dictating Util's pricing? You have that backwards big boy. Always been a proponent of gov't jump-starting a new, and logical, technology. Always. 110% Always. What do you think the entire space program has been?....and how have we average Joe's benefited....a thousand times over. And no, a handout is something people obtain through no work, intuition, etc. This is a tax credit for someone (me) who's bettering himself, the ecology and forwarding a logical new technology. I'm also dropping about the same amount you land on any one deal ($15K) to obtain the other half of the price. And I pay taxes too. Hey, I do have about 500 CDs I can loan you if interested/sdk p.s. Man, I wish Uncle Ronnie was alive to see me do this....he'd be proud. Miss you Mr. WHO!
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Post by socal on Feb 12, 2015 16:24:36 GMT -6
Let me see if I have this straight... Monopolistic private energy companies/suppliers are bad now, Seff? Since when? Does your opposition to private energy companies include Kockh Industries? I thought you were a big loud proponent of The Invisible Hand dictating market supply and pricing? Alternative energy initiatives, encouraged and supported by Big Gov't (in the form of tax credits and other investments), are good now? Since when? I thought you were a big loud opponent of Big Gov't and it's "interference in the lives of citizens!!"?? A tax credit sounds an awful lot like a handout from Uncle Sugar. You sure you want to accept handouts that are subsidized by net taxpayers like me and ok4p? Where does it end with you goddam greedy "ME FIRST!!" republicunts?? Step off the ledge Vintage. I was waiting for your outburst.....you rarely disappoint. Never said monop-Util's were bad....but their business model has reached its end. Land line phones, CD players, etc....solar is a disruptive technology....current Util's need to change/adapt is all. But noooo...what do they do? Try to squash the new guy...fight them....sue them, on and on....all for naught. As I said....dinosaur, meet mouse. And what invisible hand is there that is dictating Util's pricing? You have that backwards big boy. Always been a proponent of gov't jump-starting a new, and logical, technology. Always. 110% Always. What do you think the entire space program has been?....and how have we average Joe's benefited....a thousand times over. And no, a handout is something people obtain through no work, intuition, etc. This is a tax credit for someone (me) who's bettering himself, the ecology and forwarding a logical new technology. I'm also dropping about the same amount you land on any one deal ($15K) to obtain the other half of the price. And I pay taxes too. Hey, I do have about 500 CDs I can loan you if interested/sdk p.s. Man, I wish Uncle Ronnie was alive to see me do this....he'd be proud. Miss you Mr. WHO! While I actually like your ctions, you must understand that your stances are extremely strange (versus your normal). So, while the tax incentives / energy efficiency / performing an action that is actually "green"... are good, I'm sure you understand that the tax incentives are "government handouts", energy efficiency is something sneered at on Fox (I'm sure at least 1 Al Gore joke has been made this week), and finally - If someone had the time/will to look, I'm sure we could find old posts by you mocking the Solyndra affair that would be in direct conflict with your statement 2 inches above. Kudos on the move though. My house doesn't get enough sunlight to make a decent ROI...
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Post by livingintheusa on Feb 12, 2015 17:44:18 GMT -6
I run a large marijuana growing operation, and going solar has kept me from spiking the grid and raising eyebrows with the cops. Cut the cost save the Lost.
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Post by Solar Stud on Feb 12, 2015 20:05:47 GMT -6
I'm not a total 100% repub sheeple. I believe in most of the conservative philosophies, but don't blindly go along with everything in that camp.
But I also believe in gov't incentives to bring along logical yet expensive new technologies. I was pro-rebates to get people to buy a hybrid car for example.
I was all for Carter's alternative power incentives and was decidedly against Reagan's un-doing of most of it.
I just don't consider technology tax rebates as handouts. I'm ponying up quite a bit of money. It'll make one more home free of the grid. It's a good thing.
As far as Solyndra goes...c'mon....that was Obama giving incentives to a company everybody *knew* was going to fail. That's the rub. Not the fact that it was solar in nature.
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Post by Solar Stud on Feb 12, 2015 20:15:54 GMT -6
I'm also very much for America digging and drilling at will, in order to keep us strong with the current oil society we live in.
Stay strong until the alternative fuels/energy platforms can alleviate our dependency on oil. Brazil did it. We can do it. And we will.
But keep us strong in the current economy until then.
Oil vs alternative isn't black n white in my mind....it's a meshing of the two, with one diminishing and the other gaining over a few decades. It'll happen. We just need to be smart about it.
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Post by Presidential Immunity Cock on Feb 12, 2015 23:02:47 GMT -6
So Vin, would you consider doing this with your home? That way you can stick it to the cons in NC and laugh when you show them that you get paid from your electric company, not pay them $200 a month.
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Post by Presidential Immunity Cock on Feb 12, 2015 23:38:24 GMT -6
You are just a fucking ball and dun currr about the environment.. What kind of fucking liberal are you? Buy a Tesla Model S then, you pussy.
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Post by Stan's Field on Feb 13, 2015 7:35:50 GMT -6
My electricity is generated by a nuclear plant. Way I see it, that's both green and renewable. So long as we have plenty of uranium/plutonium to mine. Oh, and a good place to store the spent fuel. Oh we'll just reprocess it, and then when it's used again and still radioactive, we'll bury it.
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Post by Presidential Immunity Cock on Feb 13, 2015 7:50:01 GMT -6
Lulz... I knew you were going to post this shit. How much does Coal, Nuclear, and Oil get from Subsidies? Also, once a person has set up their system, they aren't applying for more subsidies the next year, or the year after that. Maybe large corporations, but that's different than residential. Once my system is paid for, it will not have any carbon footprint as well as having electric sent back to the grid. In most residential and even corporate uses, they aren't about generating enough to power the grid other than a few larger solar farms that have only recently been announced or set up. You generate enough to cover your use, plus maybe sell back a small portion to the electric company. And solar power costs have come down ALOT in the past 10 years, by a factor of 10. Back when the subsidy started, a normal install would have taken 20+ years to pay off even with the subsidy. With the costs down, it's paid off in full within 10 years or less for most. Since the price decreases and now really making solar affordable, of course it's not accounting for much in energy output. If it's a northern state, it makes no sense to have solar as the sun hours suck to justify it. Wind or hydro-electric make far more sense in those cases. But if your area gets generally a large amount of sunlight hours and minimal clouds, it's well worth the cost and pays for itself.
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Post by Presidential Immunity Cock on Feb 13, 2015 7:50:42 GMT -6
My electricity is generated by a nuclear plant. Way I see it, that's both green and renewable. Dubya approves of this post.
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Post by Presidential Immunity Cock on Feb 13, 2015 9:41:21 GMT -6
Lulz... I knew you were going to post this shit. How much does Coal, Nuclear, and Oil get from Subsidies? Also, once a person has set up their system, they aren't applying for more subsidies the next year, or the year after that. Maybe large corporations, but that's different than residential. Once my system is paid for, it will not have any carbon footprint as well as having electric sent back to the grid. In most residential and even corporate uses, they aren't about generating enough to power the grid other than a few larger solar farms that have only recently been announced or set up. You generate enough to cover your use, plus maybe sell back a small portion to the electric company. And solar power costs have come down ALOT in the past 10 years, by a factor of 10. Back when the subsidy started, a normal install would have taken 20+ years to pay off even with the subsidy. With the costs down, it's paid off in full within 10 years or less for most. Since the price decreases and now really making solar affordable, of course it's not accounting for much in energy output. If it's a northern state, it makes no sense to have solar as the sun hours suck to justify it. Wind or hydro-electric make far more sense in those cases. But if your area gets generally a large amount of sunlight hours and minimal clouds, it's well worth the cost and pays for itself. So end solar subsidies. Let it survive on its own. Pay full price for your system, Sunshine. Can we end subsidies on pipelines and oil, coal, propane, natural gas, and nuclear too? We should be encouraging the people to want to do this which Will better help them down the road. It will get us off a significant amount of non renewable resources and save us money.
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Post by Solar Stud on Feb 13, 2015 10:16:29 GMT -6
Lulz... I knew you were going to post this shit. How much does Coal, Nuclear, and Oil get from Subsidies? Also, once a person has set up their system, they aren't applying for more subsidies the next year, or the year after that. Maybe large corporations, but that's different than residential. Once my system is paid for, it will not have any carbon footprint as well as having electric sent back to the grid. In most residential and even corporate uses, they aren't about generating enough to power the grid other than a few larger solar farms that have only recently been announced or set up. You generate enough to cover your use, plus maybe sell back a small portion to the electric company. And solar power costs have come down ALOT in the past 10 years, by a factor of 10. Back when the subsidy started, a normal install would have taken 20+ years to pay off even with the subsidy. With the costs down, it's paid off in full within 10 years or less for most. Since the price decreases and now really making solar affordable, of course it's not accounting for much in energy output. If it's a northern state, it makes no sense to have solar as the sun hours suck to justify it. Wind or hydro-electric make far more sense in those cases. But if your area gets generally a large amount of sunlight hours and minimal clouds, it's well worth the cost and pays for itself. Don't bother trying to write anything of substance on here....most people, if they can read at all, don't bother to. Pity. When my kids are grandparents, all new construction will have some sort of solar/wind element incorporated in it. Local Utils will either be gone, or, will have embraced and morphed into something containing solar/wind. Until then, local Utils will just keep being what they are....monopolies who will continue to raise prices, suck revenues and keep their 100-year old business model.
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Post by Solar Stud on Feb 13, 2015 10:22:59 GMT -6
Just rec'd my 'lectricity bill from Dook Energy. Covers the period from Jan 14th to Feb 12th. We consumed 532 KWH in 29 days, or 18 KWH per day. Total bill is $68.19, including a $0.39 "renewable energy rider" and $4.46 sales tax. Avg cost per day a mere $2.18. This is for a 3,340 sqr ft house during the time of year when days are short and it is dark for longer periods of time (heavier use of lighting). Why is it so low? Our lights are nearly all LEDs. We have only a few incandescent bulbs, in low-use locations. Spend all the money you want on solar, fools, but you won't actually be saving money or energy until you replace all your incandescents with LEDs. /lesson Your argument is horseshit on several levels. Look at any energy bill and the most used is in the summer when people run the A/C, not the winter when cheapo light bulbs are on a few hours more. For example, net-metering back to the grid is much much higher in the summer than winter. The "constant on" items don't magically go off during the winter....i.e. the computers, TV, clocks. Again, the few cheapo lights you run make no variable difference. You didn't mention your gas bill, which, seems to be where you get your heat and hot water from. Immediately after solar, I'm changing my water heater to elect from gas. Your elec bill is going to do nothing but go up...endlessly. Mine won't. I could go on and on, but you won't read/understand much anyway....so I'll stop here.
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Post by Solar Stud on Feb 13, 2015 10:24:19 GMT -6
Someone clears wooded lot, builds 3,340 square foot house, doesn't add solar, tells others how they should get energy. Priceless.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 13, 2015 13:47:14 GMT -6
everyone around me seems to be installing solar on their homes. I think its a 10 year payback. I don't want to live here ten more years so I am not doing it.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 13, 2015 14:01:21 GMT -6
everyone around me seems to be installing solar on their homes. I think its a 10 year payback. I don't want to live here ten more years so I am not doing it. story county is calling you home, Bunyan not story, but maybe neck moines area.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 13, 2015 14:02:56 GMT -6
not story, but maybe neck moines area. beaverdale is about your speed I reckon ha, no. Johnston prolly.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 13, 2015 15:35:00 GMT -6
you have never been to any of these places. dg boy
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Post by A boy named Sioux on Feb 13, 2015 15:51:45 GMT -6
So long as we have plenty of uranium/plutonium to mine. Oh, and a good place to store the spent fuel. Oh we'll just reprocess it, and then when it's used again and still radioactive, we'll bury it. ur jelly of mah cheap, renewable, safe resource How exactly are nukes renewable? Oil is more renewable than uranium.
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Post by GhostMod 5000 on Feb 13, 2015 16:04:43 GMT -6
ur jelly of mah cheap, renewable, safe resource How exactly are nukes renewable? Oil is more renewable than uranium. While uranium is somewhat abundant, it is by no means renewable. And bince almost no enriched uranium is available naturally, it takes quite a bit of effort to develop fissionable uranium for energy use.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 13, 2015 16:05:47 GMT -6
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Post by GhostMod 5000 on Feb 13, 2015 16:07:04 GMT -6
How exactly are nukes renewable? Oil is more renewable than uranium. how long does the average nuke rod last in a power generation application, and what sort of useful yield do you get? And how long does a barrel of crude last once it begins the refining process, and what sort of useful yield do you get? That's just shifting the goalposts. I mean, one pound of enriched uranium probably has the output of hundreds of thousands of gallons of oil, but that doesn't make it any more renewable. Especially when you consider the associated costs with enriching, and the safe containment and disposal of uranium.
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Post by socal on Feb 13, 2015 16:46:07 GMT -6
I'm not a total 100% repub sheeple. I believe in most of the conservative philosophies, but don't blindly go along with everything in that camp. But I also believe in gov't incentives to bring along logical yet expensive new technologies. I was pro-rebates to get people to buy a hybrid car for example. I was all for Carter's alternative power incentives and was decidedly against Reagan's un-doing of most of it. I just don't consider technology tax rebates as handouts. I'm ponying up quite a bit of money. It'll make one more home free of the grid. It's a good thing. As far as Solyndra goes...c'mon....that was Obama giving incentives to a company everybody *knew* was going to fail. That's the rub. Not the fact that it was solar in nature. Seff... not that you care, but you re-elevated yourself in my eyes, as you appear to be applying logic. Even though Solyndra was a Bush initiative Obama deserves blame for listening to a Bush suggestion.
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Post by Plez Azkins on Feb 13, 2015 17:19:34 GMT -6
beaverdale is about your speed I reckon ha, no. Johnston prolly. I used to live in Beaverdale and now live in Urbandale/Johnston. Problem?
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