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Post by egadsto on Feb 27, 2015 11:45:14 GMT -6
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Post by NOTTHOR on Feb 27, 2015 11:50:53 GMT -6
I agree with the Germans. The Chinese, despite certain restrictions on capital from sources that fall out of favor with the Party, are running what is probably the most capitalistic economy in the world. Those sumnabitches will let you do any fucking thing, because as the saying goes, life is cheap in the Orient. But the Party has completely foreclosed the ability of the proles to vote for any amount of welfare or any other types of laws that Western nations have regarding working conditions or the environment. No way the West can compete with that. China's gonna have a gigantic fucking economy in 20 years and their growth will likely chip away at ours, Germany's and Japan's. China is demographically hamstrung due to two in, one out. That and the fact that they build ghost cities to inflate GDP. I was referencing German co-determination policy & works councils. Step back for a moment. Is it rational for labor and management within the same fucking entity to exist in an adverse relationship, when the very existence of said entity relies on the codependent functionality of each? articles.latimes.com/2014/jan/20/opinion/la-oe-finkin-vw-work-councils-20140120Bwah Is this really that funny...ha. Dude, any worker collective, no matter what you call it, is going to be a function of the people in it. I've had a deal get scuttled by a fucking Dutch works council over a 5% reduction in force to recognize synergies. Fuck works councils. Fuck them in their god damned ear. Look, whether it's a works council or union, in a nation where a focus on the collective is more ingrained, such as Germany or Japan, and the herd IQ is collectively higher (other than when it comes to starting wars with 'merikuh), collective labor negotiations is just fine and fucking dandy. Leftists in the US are fucking idiotic because they attribute every fucking economic problem to greed of the rich, but in actuality greed of the lumpenprole is a significant cause of changes to the US economy as well. Germans and Japanese are far more collective than Americans and capable of understanding broader ramifications of actions like this. In the vast majority of American businesses, if you give labor collectively the option of a 10% paycut or a 10% reduction in force, the overwhelming majority of people are going to vote for the RIF other than the people who are genuinely worried about getting fired. Fuck, our firm posed that question in an informal vote and everyone other than the shitty attorneys and first and second year associates who knew they were first on the chopping block voted to fire people because your loans and mortgage don't go down 10% when your paycheck does (Americans are leveraged as fuck, which makes wages sticky). It's not some talismanic nature of calling a labor collective a works council rather than a union that matters, it is the fucking people behind it.
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Post by thunderhawk on Feb 27, 2015 11:59:33 GMT -6
China is demographically hamstrung due to two in, one out. That and the fact that they build ghost cities to inflate GDP. I was referencing German co-determination policy & works councils. Step back for a moment. Is it rational for labor and management within the same fucking entity to exist in an adverse relationship, when the very existence of said entity relies on the codependent functionality of each? articles.latimes.com/2014/jan/20/opinion/la-oe-finkin-vw-work-councils-20140120Bwah Is this really that funny...ha. Dude, any worker collective, no matter what you call it, is going to be a function of the people in it. I've had a deal get scuttled by a fucking Dutch works council over a 5% reduction in force to recognize synergies. Fuck works councils. Fuck them in their god damned ear. Look, whether it's a works council or union, in a nation where a focus on the collective is more ingrained, such as Germany or Japan, and the herd IQ is collectively higher (other than when it comes to starting wars with 'merikuh), collective labor negotiations is just fine and fucking dandy. Leftists in the US are fucking idiotic because they attribute every fucking economic problem to greed of the rich, but in actuality greed of the lumpenprole is a significant cause of changes to the US economy as well. Germans and Japanese are far more collective than Americans and capable of understanding broader ramifications of actions like this. In the vast majority of American businesses, if you give labor collectively the option of a 10% paycut or a 10% reduction in force, the overwhelming majority of people are going to vote for the RIF other than the people who are genuinely worried about getting fired. Fuck, our firm posed that question in an informal vote and everyone other than the shitty attorneys and first and second year associates who knew they were first on the chopping block voted to fire people because your loans and mortgage don't go down 10% when your paycheck does (Americans are leveraged as fuck, which makes wages sticky). It's not some talismanic nature of calling a labor collective a works council rather than a union that matters, it is the fucking people behind it. All valid points. You can't staple a beak on a rat and call it an eagle. It'd require a motivated, invested labor force to make it work.
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Post by BrainFerentz4Prez on Feb 27, 2015 12:10:31 GMT -6
China is demographically hamstrung due to two in, one out. That and the fact that they build ghost cities to inflate GDP. I was referencing German co-determination policy. Step back for a moment. Is it rational for labor and management within the same fucking entity to exist in an adverse relationship, when the very existence of said entity relies on the codependent functionality of each? articles.latimes.com/2014/jan/20/opinion/la-oe-finkin-vw-work-councils-20140120True. Look at the case of HN. You had Trolls annd Mods in an adverse relationship. It came to a head, and the mods killed the trolls, and now HN is a shriveled husk. However, the Wasteland has a symbiotic relationship between trolls and mods. Which wuz I bruh?
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Post by thunderhawk on Feb 27, 2015 12:14:42 GMT -6
Elaborating on China's ghost cities, check this shit out:
It's liek fuckin "Inception" or some such shit.
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Post by GhostMod 5000 on Feb 27, 2015 12:17:08 GMT -6
True. Look at the case of HN. You had Trolls annd Mods in an adverse relationship. It came to a head, and the mods killed the trolls, and now HN is a shriveled husk. However, the Wasteland has a symbiotic relationship between trolls and mods. Which wuz I bruh? Exactly.
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Post by BrainFerentz4Prez on Feb 27, 2015 12:37:22 GMT -6
Elaborating on China's ghost cities, check this shit out: It's liek fuckin "Inception" or some such shit. Those fings are all over Europe also, particularly Spain.
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