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Post by A boy named Sioux on Oct 7, 2015 8:27:38 GMT -6
I am all for keeping guns out of the hands of the mentally ill. The problem is how do you determine who is ill enough to go on the no gun list? The left would also have a real problem denying someone a gun based on a disability, so I am guessing they would be much more comfortable just eliminating private gun ownership. Am I right?
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Post by GhostMod 5000 on Oct 7, 2015 8:47:14 GMT -6
I am all for keeping guns out of the hands of the mentally ill. The problem is how do you determine who is ill enough to go on the no gun list? The left would also have a real problem denying someone a gun based on a disability, so I am guessing they would be much more comfortable just eliminating private gun ownership. Am I right? Well, it sounds liek this dude washed out of Basic Training for the Army really quick. I think that might have given the feds a head's up this guy wasn't right in the head. They don't just excuse you if you decide a week in you don't liek your room mate. Any insight in this Podo?
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Post by thunderhawk on Oct 7, 2015 9:15:23 GMT -6
These pencil-dicks who post photos of themselves on facebook or instagram or whatever double fisting AR-15's oughta be culled from the herd.
I don't identify myself by the weapons I own, and the reason I don't is because I'm not a pencil-dick psychopath.
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Post by thunderhawk on Oct 7, 2015 9:18:39 GMT -6
I am all for keeping guns out of the hands of the mentally ill. The problem is how do you determine who is ill enough to go on the no gun list? The left would also have a real problem denying someone a gun based on a disability, so I am guessing they would be much more comfortable just eliminating private gun ownership. Am I right? How about an operator competency test and liability insurance. Like with a car, another inherently dangerous implement.
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Post by GhostMod 5000 on Oct 7, 2015 9:50:31 GMT -6
Well, it sounds liek this dude washed out of Basic Training for the Army really quick. I think that might have given the feds a head's up this guy wasn't right in the head. They don't just excuse you if you decide a week in you don't liek your room mate. Any insight in this Podo? hnwasteland.proboards.com/post/213518/threadThat is from page 2 I believe. We had a guy in bootcamp get booted pretty early on. He made some threats about things he was going to do when we got to the rifle range part of basic. He was there one day, gone the next. Yeah, but in the context of this discussion, let's say background checks and waiting periods were a thing, so you think washing out of basic would have been enough to get this guy red-flagged?
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Post by thunderhawk on Oct 7, 2015 10:00:15 GMT -6
hnwasteland.proboards.com/post/213518/threadThat is from page 2 I believe. We had a guy in bootcamp get booted pretty early on. He made some threats about things he was going to do when we got to the rifle range part of basic. He was there one day, gone the next. Yeah, but in the context of this discussion, let's say background checks and waiting periods were a thing, so you think washing out of basic would have been enough to get this guy red-flagged? No. The horse has left the barn. There are 350 million guns in circulation in the United States, with millions more being manufactured and sold each year. Of course guns actually don't kill people; bullets do. But I digress. The guns themselves are not the proximate cause; yes, they are designed to kill humans and highly effective in doing so, but they aren't self-operating. The real problem in this fucking country is that we've got a de facto domestic terrorist organization (NRA) trumping up cultish paranoia and fear in a bunch of halfwitted personality-disordered fuckholes ignorant of cause and effect; simultaneously said domestic terrorist organization (NRA) intimidates and bribes a sufficient number of politicians, mostly Republicans, into ensuring that the NRA's client, the gun industry, continues to reap massive profits with zero liability. So there's a few things here: First off, psychopath gunfuckers, nobody's "coming for" 350 million guns; that's impossible. If I want to come for something, I'll come for you. Your guns aren't the threat; you are. I'm all about eliminating the proximate cause. Second, what we really, really need in this country is a fucking huge gun-fueled massacre at 1) an NRA convention; and/or 2) a meeting of the GOP caucus. These fucks only relate to things when they are personally affected, so there you go. Scratch where it itches.
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Post by A boy named Sioux on Oct 7, 2015 12:12:53 GMT -6
I can hardly wait until the ACLU brings its first suit for a mentally disabled person who was barred from purchasing a gun.
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Post by Earl Slick on Oct 7, 2015 12:43:15 GMT -6
When nut jobs with guns are outlawed the only nut jobs with guns will be outlaws.
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Post by thunderhawk on Oct 7, 2015 14:01:52 GMT -6
I can hardly wait until the ACLU brings its first suit for a mentally disabled person who was barred from purchasing a gun. Sad, but true.
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Post by GhostMod 5000 on Oct 7, 2015 14:39:47 GMT -6
I can hardly wait until the ACLU brings its first suit for a mentally disabled person who was barred from purchasing a gun. If criminals know retards don't have guns, they're moar liekly to be shot. Refusing to arm the retarded is liek signing their death certificate.
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Post by thunderhawk on Oct 7, 2015 14:50:58 GMT -6
I can hardly wait until the ACLU brings its first suit for a mentally disabled person who was barred from purchasing a gun. If criminals know retards don't have guns, they're moar liekly to be shot. Refusing to arm the retarded is liek signing their death certificate. Apparently what we really need to fear is Aspie fucks with gun-nut mothers. Also, since I give not a solitary fuck about being PC, Ima just leave this here: If you're on Teh Spectrum, my condolences, and stay the fuck away from me. I'm not good with "weird" and "awkward."
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Post by A boy named Sioux on Oct 7, 2015 14:54:58 GMT -6
If criminals know retards don't have guns, they're moar liekly to be shot. Refusing to arm the retarded is liek signing their death certificate. Apparently what we really need to fear is Aspie fucks with gun-nut mothers. Also, since I give not a solitary fuck about being PC, Ima just leave this here: If you're on Teh Spectrum, my condolences, and stay the fuck away from me. I'm not good with "weird" and "awkward." You heartless bastard. We must celebrate all individuals no matter how tarded.
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Post by GhostMod 5000 on Oct 7, 2015 15:18:47 GMT -6
I got rid off all of the Assburgers on this board.
You're welcome.
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Post by livingintheusa on Oct 7, 2015 16:02:16 GMT -6
Yeah, but in the context of this discussion, let's say background checks and waiting periods were a thing, so you think washing out of basic would have been enough to get this guy red-flagged? Depending on what he washed out for, absolutely. If he was like the guy that washed out when I went, red flag that fucker. If he washed out because he couldn't run fast enough, I wouldn't say he needs to be red flagged from gun ownership, but you might want also watch and see what toll washing out of the military took on his mental he
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Post by livingintheusa on Oct 7, 2015 16:28:19 GMT -6
Podo you jest
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Post by Presidential Immunity Cock on Oct 8, 2015 3:04:07 GMT -6
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Post by Earl Slick on Oct 8, 2015 3:38:15 GMT -6
pity the poor fool suffering from Zimmerman Syndrome.
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Post by GhostMod 5000 on Oct 8, 2015 5:41:27 GMT -6
Yeah, but in the context of this discussion, let's say background checks and waiting periods were a thing, so you think washing out of basic would have been enough to get this guy red-flagged? Depending on what he washed out for, absolutely. If he was like the guy that washed out when I went, red flag that fucker. If he washed out because he couldn't run fast enough, I wouldn't say he needs to be red flagged from gun ownership, but you might want also watch and see what toll washing out of the military took on his mental health. Just saw on the news he got booted from the Army for attempting suicide. www.wsj.com/articles/accused-oregon-shooter-was-discharged-from-army-after-attempting-suicide-1444249903
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Post by Presidential Immunity Cock on Oct 8, 2015 6:44:43 GMT -6
So yeah, he probably shouldn't have had access to guns. 'MURICA! FUCK YEA!
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Post by A boy named Sioux on Oct 8, 2015 8:54:09 GMT -6
The irony of the left defending the rights of the mentally disabled to purchase guns will be delicious. They will be so conflicted, they won't know what to do.
I'm guessing it will be covered by the Americans with disabilities act. I could see them saying only the disabled should be able to obtain a gun.
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Post by The Resistance on Oct 8, 2015 9:04:34 GMT -6
Thunder any chance when the rug rats grow up you could volunteer at the suicide hotline and offer some assistance to some of these troubled folks. Maybe make a few suggestions on the quickest, easiest route to pursue.
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Post by thunderhawk on Oct 8, 2015 9:22:12 GMT -6
Thunder any chance when the rug rats grow up you could volunteer at the suicide hotline and offer some assistance to some of these troubled folks. Maybe make a few suggestions on the quickest, easiest route to pursue. "You got a car?" Yeah. "You got a garage?" Uh, yeah. "You think you've got the wherewithal to go down to your garage and start the car? You don't even have to open the garage door. Just get in that piece of shit car and turn it on. Is that an easy enough concept for a shiftless loser like you to understand? Do you think you can accomplish the simple fucking task of turning the key in the ignition, or are you going to fail at that too?" I can do it! "Well hang up the fucking phone and get on it, dumbass."
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Post by A boy named Sioux on Oct 8, 2015 9:30:59 GMT -6
You would be doing a service to 'Murcia.
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Post by thunderhawk on Oct 8, 2015 9:35:10 GMT -6
You would be doing a service to 'Murcia. I'm here to serve.
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Post by GhostMod 5000 on Oct 8, 2015 9:46:32 GMT -6
The irony of the left defending the rights of the mentally disabled to purchase guns will be delicious. They will be so conflicted, they won't know what to do. I'm guessing it will be covered by the Americans with disabilities act. I could see them saying only the disabled should be able to obtain a gun. I think you're just making this scenario up in your head. I am sure some of the law dogs here could explain it better, but a court can, and does, declare a mentally ill person incapable of exercising certain rights all the time. For instance, if a court deems you're not capable of making decisions of sound mind, you can lose control of your medical, financial, and family decisions. I don't see why firearm ownership would be an insurmountable hurdle in this scenario. What you might be getting at is how someone gets mental health treatment. A person cannot be involuntarily treated for mental illness unless a court determines that they are a danger to themselves or others. If we start going out looking for nutjobs to institutionalize, that could go in bad directions. However, in this Oregon situation, if this dude tried to kill himself while in the Army, he probably should have been put into treatment, involuntarily if necessary(bince he was obviously a danger to himself), and a court could have, and should have, restricted his firearm rights.
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