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Post by NOTTHOR on Mar 8, 2022 16:46:21 GMT -6
Well in my opinion there are two schools of thought here: One, geopolitically, Russia cannot allow NATO access to a large, undefended border in their heartland, which is the danger a westernized Ukraine poses. It's not unlike when the US nearly went to war to keep Russian nukes out of Cuba in the early 60s. Two, economically, Russia is essentially a petro state like Saudi Arabia, and the basis of their entire economy is oil and natural gas. A westernized Ukraine will allow European companies like Shell or BP access to Black Sea fossil fuel reserves. The current Russian government basically exists because profit from selling oil and gas directly to Western Europe, so a westernized Ukraine threatens the foundation of the Russian economy. That being said, I view this through the paradigm of class, and in my mind, this is a fight between Russian billionaires trying to protect their money, and Western billionaires trying to get in on the trough. It doesn't matter if the government of Ukraine is a Russian puppet, or a Western puppet, it won't materially improve the lives of me or most Ukrainians. And because of THAT, I don't think we should be in open conflict with a nuclear power. Huh. I really thought someone would bring up the fact the we should help them because they’re white. Does not compute. The Russians are white as well and whites can do anything they want with impunity. Please study critical race theory a little more before making unfounded accusations.
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Post by GhostMod 5000 on Mar 9, 2022 10:24:01 GMT -6
Huh. I really thought someone would bring up the fact the we should help them because they’re white. I have seen a couple talking heads saying that is the only reason we are the least bit interested in that is happening in Ukraine. The human suffering in Ukraine is a fraction of what has been happening in Yemen. The two main differences are that Yemeni people are brown, and also we're manufacturing the bombs that the Saudis are dropping on them.
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Post by GhostMod 5000 on Mar 9, 2022 10:27:26 GMT -6
Ukraine was already the poorest country in Europe. It's going to have a decade of political and economic instability the next decade no matter who is in charge. If you think Europe is going to swoop in and suddenly Marshall Plan Ukraine into the next Germany, you're out of your fucking mind. The world is basically comprised of a handful of bodies politic: the US, China, Russia, US client states and those who no one gives a fuck about (plus the wildcard of Israel). Russia has no client states. China is desperately trying to develop its own client states throughout Africa. Ukraine, unfortunately, falls into the group of those who no one gives a fuck about. Of course, the media turns a blind eye when a US client state, like Saudi Arabia, runs over some has been that no one gives a fuck about, like Yemen. I suspect two factors may be at play here, first the involvement of Russia and second, the possibility that western politburos were using Ukraine like an ATM. But to ghost's original point, I see absolutely no reason to intervene in this Russian incursion because I concur with ghost that this shit reeks of an oligarch war. The rules of engagement have been in place bince 1945, sorry Ukraine. You didn't get picked up by Oceania, you're probably gonna have to join Eurasia unless you can turn them back, but at least it will keep Eastasia off your ass, for now anyway. You will witness countless propaganda techniques. Appeals to emotion. In group-out group psyops. The tried and true tactics the military has used for 75 years to manufacture consent, replete with words and phrases like "containment," "spreading democracy," "we have to fight them there so we don't have to fight them here," "appeasement," references to that certain German Fuhrer. Don't fucking fall for it. Not one drop of American blood. Not fucking one. Hold the god damned line. It really fucking sucks for Ukrainian people and the Russian people. It really does, but it ain't our fight, kids. For fucks sake Pard, you and I are both 40ish, and how often in our lifetimes have we seen the manufacturing consent machine fire up like this? I mean, maybe I've giving too much credit to the proles, but how are more people not seeing through this shit AGAIN???
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Post by NOTTHOR on Mar 9, 2022 10:48:11 GMT -6
The world is basically comprised of a handful of bodies politic: the US, China, Russia, US client states and those who no one gives a fuck about (plus the wildcard of Israel). Russia has no client states. China is desperately trying to develop its own client states throughout Africa. Ukraine, unfortunately, falls into the group of those who no one gives a fuck about. Of course, the media turns a blind eye when a US client state, like Saudi Arabia, runs over some has been that no one gives a fuck about, like Yemen. I suspect two factors may be at play here, first the involvement of Russia and second, the possibility that western politburos were using Ukraine like an ATM. But to ghost's original point, I see absolutely no reason to intervene in this Russian incursion because I concur with ghost that this shit reeks of an oligarch war. The rules of engagement have been in place bince 1945, sorry Ukraine. You didn't get picked up by Oceania, you're probably gonna have to join Eurasia unless you can turn them back, but at least it will keep Eastasia off your ass, for now anyway. You will witness countless propaganda techniques. Appeals to emotion. In group-out group psyops. The tried and true tactics the military has used for 75 years to manufacture consent, replete with words and phrases like "containment," "spreading democracy," "we have to fight them there so we don't have to fight them here," "appeasement," references to that certain German Fuhrer. Don't fucking fall for it. Not one drop of American blood. Not fucking one. Hold the god damned line. It really fucking sucks for Ukrainian people and the Russian people. It really does, but it ain't our fight, kids. For fucks sake Pard, you and I are both 40ish, and how often in our lifetimes have we seen the manufacturing consent machine fire up like this? I mean, maybe I've giving too much credit to the proles, but how are more people not seeing through this shit AGAIN??? Proles and NPCs have no memory other than absolutely huge events (i.e., Kennedy assassination) or things that get repeated over an extended period, and many times when you stop the repetition, the memory disappears within a matter of weeks. The mass media has used an amplification technique for years as well, taking an issue that is a random one off event and attempting to make it seem prevalent. And then the proliferation of things like upvotes, likes, thumbs ups, whatever on social media has an incredibly terrifying effect in that proles and NPCs get endorphin releases from "social acceptance" and then go around spouting purely manufactured shit so other NPCs give them approval. Excuse me, I have to go to the facebook and change my avatar to a Ukraine flag and praise Lindsey Graham for his hard fought, bipartisan support of an immediate, totally untraceable $14 billion aid package to Ukraine.
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Post by Ginger on Mar 9, 2022 18:36:35 GMT -6
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Post by NOTTHOR on Mar 9, 2022 21:58:23 GMT -6
Um, is there a point to this? If you are a total market investor, which everyone should be particularly if you have billions of dollars under management, you have exposure to Russia. The fortunes that will be made when Russia's situation normalizes are going to be fucking immense because so many people are selling at next to nothing. Here's the scam, you have some target date fund in your 401K or 403B. It probably owns 15,000 stocks and follows some index, that index then strikes Russia. Your fund sells you out of Russian stocks at a massive loss. Some blow dried asswipe from Goldman buys the shares for two fucking cents. 5 years down the road the situation is normalized and they're worth the same $10 that you effectively paid for them through the fund. You lost $9.98 and Goldman made $9.98. It's all in a byzantine fund with a daily NAV and the amount is small, but when you compound it across millions of schlub retail investors the potential gain is gargantuan.
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Post by thunderhawk on Mar 9, 2022 23:46:44 GMT -6
For fucks sake Pard, you and I are both 40ish, and how often in our lifetimes have we seen the manufacturing consent machine fire up like this? I mean, maybe I've giving too much credit to the proles, but how are more people not seeing through this shit AGAIN??? Proles and NPCs have no memory other than absolutely huge events (i.e., Kennedy assassination) or things that get repeated over an extended period, and many times when you stop the repetition, the memory disappears within a matter of weeks. The mass media has used an amplification technique for years as well, taking an issue that is a random one off event and attempting to make it seem prevalent. And then the proliferation of things like upvotes, likes, thumbs ups, whatever on social media has an incredibly terrifying effect in that proles and NPCs get endorphin releases from "social acceptance" and then go around spouting purely manufactured shit so other NPCs give them approval. Excuse me, I have to go to the facebook and change my avatar to a Ukraine flag and praise Lindsey Graham for his hard fought, bipartisan support of an immediate, totally untraceable $14 billion aid package to Ukraine. Maybe some of us just want to live in a world where peaceful liberal democracies aren’t invaded and their people slaughtered by fucking autocrats. Do you guys believe in anything greater than yourselves?
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Post by NOTTHOR on Mar 10, 2022 7:31:00 GMT -6
Proles and NPCs have no memory other than absolutely huge events (i.e., Kennedy assassination) or things that get repeated over an extended period, and many times when you stop the repetition, the memory disappears within a matter of weeks. The mass media has used an amplification technique for years as well, taking an issue that is a random one off event and attempting to make it seem prevalent. And then the proliferation of things like upvotes, likes, thumbs ups, whatever on social media has an incredibly terrifying effect in that proles and NPCs get endorphin releases from "social acceptance" and then go around spouting purely manufactured shit so other NPCs give them approval. Excuse me, I have to go to the facebook and change my avatar to a Ukraine flag and praise Lindsey Graham for his hard fought, bipartisan support of an immediate, totally untraceable $14 billion aid package to Ukraine. Maybe some of us just want to live in a world where peaceful liberal democracies aren’t invaded and their people slaughtered by fucking autocrats. Do you guys believe in anything greater than yourselves? You've advocated for killing people with whom you disagree politically for 5 years. Read your first sentence again. That is an attempt to manufacture consent. I would like to live in a world where no innocents, no matter what regime they live under, are slaughtered by anyone, whether that person is an autocrat, monarch, or democratically elected leader. But unfortunately that is not reality.
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Post by GhostMod 5000 on Mar 10, 2022 9:20:05 GMT -6
Proles and NPCs have no memory other than absolutely huge events (i.e., Kennedy assassination) or things that get repeated over an extended period, and many times when you stop the repetition, the memory disappears within a matter of weeks. The mass media has used an amplification technique for years as well, taking an issue that is a random one off event and attempting to make it seem prevalent. And then the proliferation of things like upvotes, likes, thumbs ups, whatever on social media has an incredibly terrifying effect in that proles and NPCs get endorphin releases from "social acceptance" and then go around spouting purely manufactured shit so other NPCs give them approval. Excuse me, I have to go to the facebook and change my avatar to a Ukraine flag and praise Lindsey Graham for his hard fought, bipartisan support of an immediate, totally untraceable $14 billion aid package to Ukraine. Maybe some of us just want to live in a world where peaceful liberal democracies aren’t invaded and their people slaughtered by fucking autocrats. Do you guys believe in anything greater than yourselves? "peaceful" "liberal" "democracies"
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Post by Ginger on Mar 10, 2022 10:19:17 GMT -6
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Post by NOTTHOR on Mar 10, 2022 13:16:43 GMT -6
Oh no, we remember. And we remember the video of Quid Pro Joe threatening to withhold loan guarantees unless Ukraine fired a prosecutor. And we remember Hunter Biden serving on the board of Burisma, a Ukrainian pipeline company. I think Trump wanted an actual investigation, not a phony investigation. How many decades of "we've investigated ourselves and found no wrongdoing" do people need? Hell, my guess is the only reason Biden is even president is that they had roll his fossilized ass out there to stop any investigation and form the basis of impeachment. I mean, it ain't an accident that during a period of extreme "WE'RE NOT RACISTS" politicking by the DNC that they would promote the shit out of a guy who literally wanted to change the fucking Constitution to ban court mandated busing that was being implemented to remediate school segregation. Jesus H. Christ. I just thought of that primary clown car convention they had. Fuck me, is there really no one who can run the country? Sorry for the rant.
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Post by Ginger on Mar 10, 2022 15:49:08 GMT -6
Oh no, we remember. And we remember the video of Quid Pro Joe threatening to withhold loan guarantees unless Ukraine fired a prosecutor. And we remember Hunter Biden serving on the board of Burisma, a Ukrainian pipeline company. I think Trump wanted an actual investigation, not a phony investigation. How many decades of "we've investigated ourselves and found no wrongdoing" do people need? Hell, my guess is the only reason Biden is even president is that they had roll his fossilized ass out there to stop any investigation and form the basis of impeachment. I mean, it ain't an accident that during a period of extreme "WE'RE NOT RACISTS" politicking by the DNC that they would promote the shit out of a guy who literally wanted to change the fucking Constitution to ban court mandated busing that was being implemented to remediate school segregation. Jesus H. Christ. I just thought of that primary clown car convention they had. Fuck me, is there really no one who can run the country? Sorry for the rant. I love your rants. And I’m going to go out and find more stuff to trigger you. Do you have a preference? Economics? Orange man? Libertarians? Iowa sports? Rasslin’?
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Post by twinlaker on Mar 10, 2022 16:30:05 GMT -6
Oh no, we remember. And we remember the video of Quid Pro Joe threatening to withhold loan guarantees unless Ukraine fired a prosecutor. And we remember Hunter Biden serving on the board of Burisma, a Ukrainian pipeline company. I think Trump wanted an actual investigation, not a phony investigation. How many decades of "we've investigated ourselves and found no wrongdoing" do people need? Hell, my guess is the only reason Biden is even president is that they had roll his fossilized ass out there to stop any investigation and form the basis of impeachment. I mean, it ain't an accident that during a period of extreme "WE'RE NOT RACISTS" politicking by the DNC that they would promote the shit out of a guy who literally wanted to change the fucking Constitution to ban court mandated busing that was being implemented to remediate school segregation. Jesus H. Christ. I just thought of that primary clown car convention they had. Fuck me, is there really no one who can run the country? Sorry for the rant. I love your rants. And I’m going to go out and find more stuff to trigger you. Do you have a preference? Economics? Orange man? Libertarians? Iowa sports? Rasslin’? Maybe find a meme about “that guy” who always has to think that he is the smartest guy in the room?🤷♂️😀
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Post by socal on Mar 10, 2022 17:26:05 GMT -6
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Post by thunderhawk on Mar 10, 2022 17:38:48 GMT -6
Maybe some of us just want to live in a world where peaceful liberal democracies aren’t invaded and their people slaughtered by fucking autocrats. Do you guys believe in anything greater than yourselves? You've advocated for killing people with whom you disagree politically for 5 years. Read your first sentence again. That is an attempt to manufacture consent. I would like to live in a world where no innocents, no matter what regime they live under, are slaughtered by anyone, whether that person is an autocrat, monarch, or democratically elected leader. But unfortunately that is not reality. I’ve advocated for killing the kind of people who support autocrats like Putin and want to impose that shit here and I will never regret it.
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Post by thunderhawk on Mar 10, 2022 17:42:43 GMT -6
Oh no, we remember. And we remember the video of Quid Pro Joe threatening to withhold loan guarantees unless Ukraine fired a prosecutor. And we remember Hunter Biden serving on the board of Burisma, a Ukrainian pipeline company. I think Trump wanted an actual investigation, not a phony investigation. How many decades of "we've investigated ourselves and found no wrongdoing" do people need? Hell, my guess is the only reason Biden is even president is that they had roll his fossilized ass out there to stop any investigation and form the basis of impeachment. I mean, it ain't an accident that during a period of extreme "WE'RE NOT RACISTS" politicking by the DNC that they would promote the shit out of a guy who literally wanted to change the fucking Constitution to ban court mandated busing that was being implemented to remediate school segregation. Jesus H. Christ. I just thought of that primary clown car convention they had. Fuck me, is there really no one who can run the country? Sorry for the rant. Jesus fucking Christ. Quit playing stupid. Republicans wanted that corrupt prosecutor axed too. Dotard didn’t want an investigation. He wanted Zelensky to announce a trumped up “investigation” on CNN to create a black cloud over Biden because it paid off with Hillary.
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Post by NOTTHOR on Mar 10, 2022 18:08:00 GMT -6
Oh no, we remember. And we remember the video of Quid Pro Joe threatening to withhold loan guarantees unless Ukraine fired a prosecutor. And we remember Hunter Biden serving on the board of Burisma, a Ukrainian pipeline company. I think Trump wanted an actual investigation, not a phony investigation. How many decades of "we've investigated ourselves and found no wrongdoing" do people need? Hell, my guess is the only reason Biden is even president is that they had roll his fossilized ass out there to stop any investigation and form the basis of impeachment. I mean, it ain't an accident that during a period of extreme "WE'RE NOT RACISTS" politicking by the DNC that they would promote the shit out of a guy who literally wanted to change the fucking Constitution to ban court mandated busing that was being implemented to remediate school segregation. Jesus H. Christ. I just thought of that primary clown car convention they had. Fuck me, is there really no one who can run the country? Sorry for the rant. Jesus fucking Christ. Quit playing stupid. Republicans wanted that corrupt prosecutor axed too. Dotard didn’t want an investigation. He wanted Zelensky to announce a trumped up “investigation” on CNN to create a black cloud over Biden because it paid off with Hillary. Oh, the Republicans wanted him gone, too? That totally seals it, then he must have been really corrupt. I guess if upstanding guys like Mitch McConnell and Lindsey Graham had a problem with him he must have been totally corrupt.
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Post by livingintheusa on Mar 10, 2022 21:03:19 GMT -6
Oh no, we remember. And we remember the video of Quid Pro Joe threatening to withhold loan guarantees unless Ukraine fired a prosecutor. And we remember Hunter Biden serving on the board of Burisma, a Ukrainian pipeline company. I think Trump wanted an actual investigation, not a phony investigation. How many decades of "we've investigated ourselves and found no wrongdoing" do people need? Hell, my guess is the only reason Biden is even president is that they had roll his fossilized ass out there to stop any investigation and form the basis of impeachment. I mean, it ain't an accident that during a period of extreme "WE'RE NOT RACISTS" politicking by the DNC that they would promote the shit out of a guy who literally wanted to change the fucking Constitution to ban court mandated busing that was being implemented to remediate school segregation. Jesus H. Christ. I just thought of that primary clown car convention they had. Fuck me, is there really no one who can run the country? Sorry for the rant. Jesus fucking Christ. Quit playing stupid. Republicans wanted that corrupt prosecutor axed too. Dotard didn’t want an investigation. He wanted Zelensky to announce a trumped up “investigation” on CNN to create a black cloud over Biden because it paid off with Hillary. Tell me more about Biden and corruption in the Ukraine.
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Post by socal on Mar 11, 2022 9:49:52 GMT -6
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Post by Ginger on Mar 11, 2022 11:34:59 GMT -6
Well this is a take
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Post by Other on Mar 11, 2022 11:42:02 GMT -6
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Post by livingintheusa on Mar 11, 2022 12:42:45 GMT -6
Proles and NPCs have no memory other than absolutely huge events (i.e., Kennedy assassination) or things that get repeated over an extended period, and many times when you stop the repetition, the memory disappears within a matter of weeks. The mass media has used an amplification technique for years as well, taking an issue that is a random one off event and attempting to make it seem prevalent. And then the proliferation of things like upvotes, likes, thumbs ups, whatever on social media has an incredibly terrifying effect in that proles and NPCs get endorphin releases from "social acceptance" and then go around spouting purely manufactured shit so other NPCs give them approval. Excuse me, I have to go to the facebook and change my avatar to a Ukraine flag and praise Lindsey Graham for his hard fought, bipartisan support of an immediate, totally untraceable $14 billion aid package to Ukraine. Maybe some of us just want to live in a world where peaceful liberal democracies aren’t invaded and their people slaughtered by fucking autocrats. Do you guys believe in anything greater than yourselves? I believe in miracles. Don’t you know? You sexy thing.
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Post by A boy named Sioux on Mar 11, 2022 14:16:36 GMT -6
I dont think the Messicans are bringing in any armor or attack helicopters, just loads of mostly unarmed infantry.
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Post by socal on Mar 11, 2022 14:59:32 GMT -6
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Post by NOTTHOR on Mar 11, 2022 15:38:24 GMT -6
– ask forgiveness for crossing the border without passport control; Consider this a warning. Your racist xenophobic shit will not be allowed on here.
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