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Post by Ginger on Feb 15, 2023 19:28:15 GMT -6
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Post by kirksfupa on Feb 15, 2023 21:09:35 GMT -6
Damn that is a shit situation. |
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Post by NOTTHOR on Feb 16, 2023 7:17:08 GMT -6
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Post by Ginger on Feb 16, 2023 8:48:33 GMT -6
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Post by Ginger on Feb 16, 2023 9:01:02 GMT -6
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Post by NOTTHOR on Feb 16, 2023 9:03:47 GMT -6
The well water is "safe to drink." Of course it is because shit like this takes time to work its way into the aquifers. It has to go through several feet of permeable rock to get into the well water and once it gets there it will take a long time to wash out. That process is not instantaneous. Coca Cola needs to open a remote bottling facility drawing from the aquifers and anyone from the government or train company who says it is safe to drink should have to drink nothing but Dasani pumped straight out of that aquifer for the rest of their fucking lives. I ain't a geologist, but I prolly wouldn't personally touch that water for at least a decade. My wife is a little over the top on some health shit and she is of the opinion that a bunch of lung cancer cases now are actually caused by chlorine in the water supply. People take steaming hot showers and breathe in copious amounts of chlorine over the years. I don't know the underlying science but it makes some degree of sense to me, but I have to think that this shit would be the same as that except with a chemical that is way fucking worse than the chlorine the municipal water suppliers use. I think they're gonna have to move that whole town until the shit dissipates enough to make it habitable again. Shitty situation for everyone there. |
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Post by NOTTHOR on Feb 16, 2023 9:08:02 GMT -6
That's unfortunate. I think with the massive drop in the cost of electronic components it would probably be practicable and not very expensive to establish a uniform monitoring system to give a warning when a bearing is going bad. That sort of shit is something that would not have worked in 1985 or whatever, but now it can't be that hard to engineer and stand up. I suspect there isn't a practical way to test those wheel bearings on all the train cars other than seeing if one gets hotter than balls when the train is in operation. |
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Post by Stan's Field on Feb 16, 2023 9:39:21 GMT -6
Too long, can't read. What broke on the train prior to the crash? Does it say what happened? |
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Post by Stan's Field on Feb 16, 2023 10:21:39 GMT -6
That's unfortunate. I think with the massive drop in the cost of electronic components it would probably be practicable and not very expensive to establish a uniform monitoring system to give a warning when a bearing is going bad. That sort of shit is something that would not have worked in 1985 or whatever, but now it can't be that hard to engineer and stand up. I suspect there isn't a practical way to test those wheel bearings on all the train cars other than seeing if one gets hotter than balls when the train is in operation. Problem is: Numerous outfits can own these cars. These cars aren't necessarily owned by the evil railroad, and were actually likely tanks that were leased by the chemical company(speaking of which....whothafuck is it?) for a period of time. The person(evil chem company) offering the loaded tank car up for shipment is responsible for the integrity of the "package", i.e., the tank itself and its closures, not the running gear underneath although they should look them over for obvious defects. These cars have no power sources other than compressed air for the brakes. I suppose you could use battery powered temperature probes, but then comes calibration, PM schedules, replacements, proper installation(a grain elevator leg blew up here a few years ago when a head section bearing got super hot and failed. Guess what the temp probe reading was the entire time? Ambient temp. Why? It wasn't installed correctly, but otherwise tested out just fine, and this in on hard-wired equipment, not wireless systems like what would have to be deployed on these tankers.). Maybe they could start small, and require more PM and Inspections on HazMat cars' running parts, especially for trains that are longer than what's considered normal? I know I know, more gubmint regs.....and expected accountability on the RR's part.. |
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Post by socal on Feb 16, 2023 11:27:50 GMT -6
That's unfortunate. I think with the massive drop in the cost of electronic components it would probably be practicable and not very expensive to establish a uniform monitoring system to give a warning when a bearing is going bad. That sort of shit is something that would not have worked in 1985 or whatever, but now it can't be that hard to engineer and stand up. I suspect there isn't a practical way to test those wheel bearings on all the train cars other than seeing if one gets hotter than balls when the train is in operation. Problem is: Numerous outfits can own these cars. These cars aren't necessarily owned by the evil railroad, and were actually likely tanks that were leased by the chemical company(speaking of which....whothafuck is it?) for a period of time. The person(evil chem company) offering the loaded tank car up for shipment is responsible for the integrity of the "package", i.e., the tank itself and its closures, not the running gear underneath although they should look them over for obvious defects. These cars have no power sources other than compressed air for the brakes. I suppose you could use battery powered temperature probes, but then comes calibration, PM schedules, replacements, proper installation(a grain elevator leg blew up here a few years ago when a head section bearing got super hot and failed. Guess what the temp probe reading was the entire time? Ambient temp. Why? It wasn't installed correctly, but otherwise tested out just fine, and this in on hard-wired equipment, not wireless systems like what would have to be deployed on these tankers.). Maybe they could start small, and require more PM and Inspections on HazMat cars' running parts, especially for trains that are longer than what's considered normal? I know I know, more gubmint regs.....and expected accountability on the RR's part.. Much simpler to give thoughts & prayers. Didn't effect 90+% of the US directly, so... lipservice is MUCH easier than anything you wrote. |
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Post by NOTTHOR on Feb 16, 2023 11:48:47 GMT -6
That's unfortunate. I think with the massive drop in the cost of electronic components it would probably be practicable and not very expensive to establish a uniform monitoring system to give a warning when a bearing is going bad. That sort of shit is something that would not have worked in 1985 or whatever, but now it can't be that hard to engineer and stand up. I suspect there isn't a practical way to test those wheel bearings on all the train cars other than seeing if one gets hotter than balls when the train is in operation. Problem is: Numerous outfits can own these cars. These cars aren't necessarily owned by the evil railroad, and were actually likely tanks that were leased by the chemical company(speaking of which....whothafuck is it?) for a period of time. The person(evil chem company) offering the loaded tank car up for shipment is responsible for the integrity of the "package", i.e., the tank itself and its closures, not the running gear underneath although they should look them over for obvious defects. These cars have no power sources other than compressed air for the brakes. I suppose you could use battery powered temperature probes, but then comes calibration, PM schedules, replacements, proper installation(a grain elevator leg blew up here a few years ago when a head section bearing got super hot and failed. Guess what the temp probe reading was the entire time? Ambient temp. Why? It wasn't installed correctly, but otherwise tested out just fine, and this in on hard-wired equipment, not wireless systems like what would have to be deployed on these tankers.). Maybe they could start small, and require more PM and Inspections on HazMat cars' running parts, especially for trains that are longer than what's considered normal? I know I know, more gubmint regs.....and expected accountability on the RR's part.. Agreed on disparate ownership being a huge obstacle. They'd have to run some sort of targeted infrared camera on the height of the wheels at prescribed fixed locations and then deliver warnings to the train wirelessly. You couldn't possibly retrofit the cars themselves. 9 year old kids can make Lego devices that can sort marbles by color so I don't think this would require splitting atoms or anything. |
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Post by Other on Feb 16, 2023 13:08:49 GMT -6
That's unfortunate. I think with the massive drop in the cost of electronic components it would probably be practicable and not very expensive to establish a uniform monitoring system to give a warning when a bearing is going bad. That sort of shit is something that would not have worked in 1985 or whatever, but now it can't be that hard to engineer and stand up. I suspect there isn't a practical way to test those wheel bearings on all the train cars other than seeing if one gets hotter than balls when the train is in operation. Those systems already exist but are only useful if they are maintained and functioning which they didn't seem to be on this train. |
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Post by Stan's Field on Feb 16, 2023 14:54:35 GMT -6
Problem is: Numerous outfits can own these cars. These cars aren't necessarily owned by the evil railroad, and were actually likely tanks that were leased by the chemical company(speaking of which....whothafuck is it?) for a period of time. The person(evil chem company) offering the loaded tank car up for shipment is responsible for the integrity of the "package", i.e., the tank itself and its closures, not the running gear underneath although they should look them over for obvious defects. These cars have no power sources other than compressed air for the brakes. I suppose you could use battery powered temperature probes, but then comes calibration, PM schedules, replacements, proper installation(a grain elevator leg blew up here a few years ago when a head section bearing got super hot and failed. Guess what the temp probe reading was the entire time? Ambient temp. Why? It wasn't installed correctly, but otherwise tested out just fine, and this in on hard-wired equipment, not wireless systems like what would have to be deployed on these tankers.). Maybe they could start small, and require more PM and Inspections on HazMat cars' running parts, especially for trains that are longer than what's considered normal? I know I know, more gubmint regs.....and expected accountability on the RR's part.. Agreed on disparate ownership being a huge obstacle. They'd have to run some sort of targeted infrared camera on the height of the wheels at prescribed fixed locations and then deliver warnings to the train wirelessly. You couldn't possibly retrofit the cars themselves. 9 year old kids can make Lego devices that can sort marbles by color so I don't think this would require splitting atoms or anything. no atom splitting, mainly planning and execution........and we all know just how much we hate anything like regulation that might ensure said execution. The Railroads have held enough sway over the years that they don't pay into any gubmint plans like Social Security, they have their own. If you keep them waiting, your a$$ fucking pays. They keep you waiting, ehh sorry bud, try finding someone else ROFLCOPTER.. They need to gut some of the current HazMat transportation regs a bit. Some things are just too gawd damned dangerous to ship in certain configs. These cars are tracked in rail databases via RFID and such, and have histories of where they switched, were held, got derailed, incurred demurrage, etc... Some companies even use considerably high-end visual car inspections via cameras/imaging software these days to get an idea of car health when they show up at a site. So it's not inconceivable that they could implement more predictive technologies at certain waypoints in the rail networks. I don't recall what kind of Maint schedules there are for the running components on tanks per like FRA guidelines, but I do know these cars aren't just sat aside and quick-lubed every so many hours.. The car owners have to be contacted by the outfit(certified techs) that might do any repairs/maint to get permission, BEFORE they can even touch them, if you have a car at your facility that is found to need repairs prior to being loaded. |
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Post by Ginger on Feb 17, 2023 17:05:21 GMT -6
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Post by Ginger on Feb 19, 2023 12:34:17 GMT -6
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Post by Stan's Field on Feb 20, 2023 9:25:50 GMT -6
One truck hauled 80k pounds of it eh?
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Post by Ginger on Feb 20, 2023 9:30:37 GMT -6
One truck hauled 80k pounds of it eh? That’s what the internet said. It’s gospel. |
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Post by Ginger on Feb 20, 2023 21:23:45 GMT -6
God hates Ohio.
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Post by Stan's Field on Feb 21, 2023 12:55:40 GMT -6
Tin Tankers and VinylChlor burnin'
Trains and Factories fucking up yo!
This Spring there's bad water runnin'
God hates O-Hi-O
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Post by thunderhawk on Feb 22, 2023 1:03:41 GMT -6
Fuck that MAGAT shit town. I'm waaaaay more concerned about the people of Ukraine than I am about those fascist Trumper hillbillies who voted up and down the ballot for everyone 1) responsible for that fiasco and its aftermath and/or 2) who profited from it.
The Ukrainians are fighting against tyranny and oppression. Those Ohio MAGATards voted in droves for it.
Fuck 'em, let 'em burn. Send my money to the people fighting for freedom, not those voting for enslavement.
Slava Ukraini, and FUCK OHIO
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Post by Other on Feb 23, 2023 9:32:01 GMT -6
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Post by Ginger on Mar 5, 2023 11:13:36 GMT -6
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Post by NOTTHOR on Mar 5, 2023 11:32:00 GMT -6
Does this guy have a specific regulation in mind? WaPo did a review and said these claims are full of shit: www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/so-far-trump-s-rollback-of-regulations-can-t-be-blamed-for-ohio-train-wreck/ar-AA17Yvhc Of course someone could point out the inherent bias created by the fact that the owner of the WaPo is also the largest shareholder of the largest purchaser of logistics services in the world, but those people are conspiracy theorists who wear tin foil hats and whose lack of trust in mainstream media outlets represents a clear and present threat to our democracy. |
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Post by Ginger on Mar 8, 2023 22:36:59 GMT -6
Lots of people putting pennies on the tracks causing these damn derailments.
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Post by socal on Mar 9, 2023 12:25:09 GMT -6
Lots of people putting pennies on the tracks causing these damn derailments. That twitter statement applies to us all. My infrastructure is absolutely falling apart. |
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