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Post by GhostMod 5000 on Apr 15, 2008 7:14:45 GMT -6
I think I am through trying to talk to these people. This mindlessness is so shocking. I think I will just go debate with the reasonable conservatives on the illini board. Jesus....
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Post by NOTTHOR on Apr 15, 2008 7:38:13 GMT -6
Gee superracerhawk, I'd be interested in seeing where I said we should level Iraq. Before our country decides to go to war, we have to realize that the soft on terror libs will not let us do that anymore. Probably for good cause. But with that in mind, the leadership of our country has to be certain that the people are willing to accept significant collateral damage in a war.
The libs prevent that, thus we essentially are in an era where anything other than isolationism is the wrong approach because we can never really win a war that involves a lengthy occupation and rebuilding again. The libs won't let us. You can bet your ass that if someone invades America and doesn't completely level the shit out of everything and take away all means of fighting, me and guys like Iowafan, barber, leonbt, iammrhawkeyes, everhawk, drakebulldog and other red blooded Americans will fight until the end, while liberals like you, ghost, socal, et al will be standing on top of a heap of rubble waving the white flag and welcoming the occupiers with tea and fucking strumpets and regaling them with tales of who hated America worse. I can't say I fault the insurgents, they are doing what red-blooded Americans would do to those who threaten our sovereignty, I fault the libs who have tied our hands and the ill-informed mouthbreathers who made the call to go into a country when we could inflict less than total war.
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Post by NOTTHOR on Apr 15, 2008 7:39:32 GMT -6
I think I am through trying to talk to these people. This mindlessness is so shocking. I think I will just go debate with the reasonable conservatives on the illini board. Jesus.... Which illiniboard? The one NOVA is on or the one brumby runs? Just admit that you can't take the heat. The guys on both of the illiniboards are total libs.
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Post by lpcalihawk on Apr 15, 2008 8:01:37 GMT -6
Gee superracerhawk, I'd be interested in seeing where I said we should level Iraq. Before our country decides to go to war, we have to realize that the soft on terror libs will not let us do that anymore. Probably for good cause. But with that in mind, the leadership of our country has to be certain that the people are willing to accept significant collateral damage in a war. The libs prevent that, thus we essentially are in an era where anything other than isolationism is the wrong approach because we can never really win a war that involves a lengthy occupation and rebuilding again. The libs won't let us. You can bet your ass that if someone invades America and doesn't completely level the shit out of everything and take away all means of fighting, me and guys like Iowafan, barber, leonbt, iammrhawkeyes, everhawk, drakebulldog and other red blooded Americans will fight until the end, while liberals like you, ghost, socal, et al will be standing on top of a heap of rubble waving the white flag and welcoming the occupiers with tea and fucking strumpets and regaling them with tales of who hated America worse. I can't say I fault the insurgents, they are doing what red-blooded Americans would do to those who threaten our sovereignty, I fault the libs who have tied our hands and the ill-informed mouthbreathers who made the call to go into a country when we could inflict less than total war. I thought I had respect for your intelligence. But your last paragraph is the most ridiculous thing you have posted. Please go back to talking about farts, poops, and cougars.....you actually know what you are talking about on those subjects.
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Post by NOTTHOR on Apr 15, 2008 8:17:00 GMT -6
I thought I had respect for your intelligence. But your last paragraph is the most ridiculous thing you have posted. Please go back to talking about farts, poops, and cougars.....you actually know what you are talking about on those subjects. What's ridiculous about it? The assertion that we won't level a country now? The assertion that me and the conservatives would protect America against a military invasion by a foreign nation? The truth that the libs would wave the white flag against invaders like they have done in the war on terror? Maybe I tossed the wrong names in there as my libs because I know those guys would be right there, too (bince they are Hawk fans and red blooded Iowans), but the SF elite libs and the Michael Moores of the world sure as shit could NOT be counted on to save America against a foreign occupation. It would be those hicks who you guys loathe so much who would end up bailing your asses out.
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Post by Norm "racerhawk" Parker on Apr 15, 2008 8:19:13 GMT -6
Gee superracerhawk, I'd be interested in seeing where I said we should level Iraq. Before our country decides to go to war, we have to realize that the soft on terror libs will not let us do that anymore. Probably for good cause. But with that in mind, the leadership of our country has to be certain that the people are willing to accept significant collateral damage in a war. The libs prevent that, thus we essentially are in an era where anything other than isolationism is the wrong approach because we can never really win a war that involves a lengthy occupation and rebuilding again. The libs won't let us. You can bet your ass that if someone invades America and doesn't completely level the shit out of everything and take away all means of fighting, me and guys like Iowafan, barber, leonbt, iammrhawkeyes, everhawk, drakebulldog and other red blooded Americans will fight until the end, while liberals like you, ghost, socal, et al will be standing on top of a heap of rubble waving the white flag and welcoming the occupiers with tea and fucking strumpets and regaling them with tales of who hated America worse. I can't say I fault the insurgents, they are doing what red-blooded Americans would do to those who threaten our sovereignty, I fault the libs who have tied our hands and the ill-informed mouthbreathers who made the call to go into a country when we could inflict less than total war. Perhaps I misunderstood your intent when you said "unless you are willing to level Iraq." I re-read what you said and I see the point you were attempting to make. However, in all seriousness, after your wingnut rant above, you still completely fail in explaining how Iraq, as a sovereign nation, has threatened our sovereignty. If you say it's because 911 happened, then I'd have to question the admission standards at our beloved statist law school. You are frothing at the mouth about liberalism, yet you AGAIN FAIL to see the point that our overinvestment in Iraq is making us weaker. I NEVER SAID not to fight terrorists. I have ALWAYS said invading Iraq was a mistake. We need, and have needed to, find creative ways to fight terror cells. This does not mean fighting a Vietnam-esque war in Iraq. Again, get off the Hannity rant, and with all of your vast knowledge of military tactics, explain how this strategy in Iraq is effective, and how it is winning the war on terror (versus an alternative strategy of looking at cells in (gasp) Saudi Arabia, Afghanistan, Pakistan, the east, etc. Stop this red blooded American crap. A real patriot is not a sycophant. A real patriot is one who can think for themselves. Think about the problem of terrorism, and then honestly tell me how Iraq is working (verusus going on a sterotypical wingnut internet bravery rant). Also, would Iraq work better if we completely demolished it? How, in any circumstance, would the war in Iraq help the US? If needed, despite my 39 year old aged-ness, I would ask to be recalled to active duty and help the country in any way that I could. You greatly misjudge my love for this country, and what I would do to defend it. I just happen to STRONGLY DISAGREE with the retarded direction that the GW Bush league administration has taken us. It boggles my mind that you would so blindly follow the clearly misguided actions of the current administration, and somehow claim that you think for yourself.
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Post by lpcalihawk on Apr 15, 2008 8:33:44 GMT -6
I thought I had respect for your intelligence. But your last paragraph is the most ridiculous thing you have posted. Please go back to talking about farts, poops, and cougars.....you actually know what you are talking about on those subjects. What's ridiculous about it? The assertion that we won't level a country now? The assertion that me and the conservatives would protect America against a military invasion by a foreign nation? The truth that the libs would wave the white flag against invaders like they have done in the war on terror? Maybe I tossed the wrong names in there as my libs because I know those guys would be right there, too (bince they are Hawk fans and red blooded Iowans), but the SF elite libs and the Michael Moores of the world sure as shit could NOT be counted on to save America against a foreign occupation. It would be those hicks who you guys loathe so much who would end up bailing your asses out. It is a ridiculous assertion to state that only those of conservative ideology would stand up for America if it was attacked. There are no liberals or Democrats in the current military??? I'm sure there are. There are also liberals and Dems that support the invasion of Afghanistan because people in that country attacked our country on 9-11. Your assertion that anyone who doesn't agree with your war-mongering philosophy that spreads death, destruction, and ill-will is "weak-kneed" is as retarded as Chris Burke humping Grimmace from McDonalds. Protecting the U.S. borders is what is important. I do feel a Ron Paul-esque form of isolationism with a Bill Richardson-esque form of diplomacy is the direction this country needs to take in terms of foreign affairs. What BTR and his foreign policy cronies don't understand is empathy. They can not put themselves in the shoes of an everyday Iraqi. How would they feel if a Muslim country occupied America? You would be pissed, I would be pissed. So how do you think an everyday Iraqi feels when a white Christian nation occupies his/her country? Pissed off would be my bet. BTR - your overall lack of comprehensive thought in this area is what is disappointing.
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Post by NOTTHOR on Apr 15, 2008 9:12:29 GMT -6
lp and superracerhawk - I have long asserted that the US should only attack if the other guy tosses the first shot or makes a credible threat to toss a first shot that threatens our sovereignty or the sovereignty of our close allies. That's why they call the Department of Defense the Department of Defense and not the Department of Offense. You ever see American Eagle? Doug Masters didn't fire the first shot, the Ruskies did. I think you guys are ascribing the beliefs that you know some conservatives have to me. That stereotyping is dangerous.
Did you catch the part where I say I can't fault the insurgents. They are doing the same thing the America loving conservatives would do if we were invaded.
Lp - your making of assumptions when confronted with someone who you think you disagree shows the intellectual bankrputcy of the left. To call me a war monger is a categorical misrepresentation. I've been to Hiroshima. I've seen what the American war machine can do and firmly believe that American military might should only be unleashed in a place where we are looking to wage total war or have a clear plan of preventing threats to our or our allies's sovereignty.
The country has started what I call an offensive war. Instead of waving the white flag of surrender like Barry and his liberal elite backers want to do, we have an absolute obligation to the Iraqis to leave the country in better shape than we found it. The flaw is that the Neocons thought that the model of Japan/Germany could be applied, when in fact, that model assumes total annihilation of a country as a starting point, and the libs won't let that happen, so that model has to get tossed. The gov is busy cooking up a new one, and that one might take a damn long time to execute. We can't just leave the place in tatters and pull out. It's too damn late.
The ideal thing would be to split the country up, but the lib model of everybody getting along and multicultarism diversity PC everyone get in a circle and hug each other ain't gonna work over there.
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Post by Norm "racerhawk" Parker on Apr 15, 2008 9:36:08 GMT -6
lp and superracerhawk - I have long asserted that the US should only attack if the other guy tosses the first shot or makes a credible threat to toss a first shot that threatens our sovereignty or the sovereignty of our close allies. That's why they call the Department of Defense the Department of Defense and not the Department of Offense. You ever see American Eagle? Doug Masters didn't fire the first shot, the Ruskies did. I think you guys are ascribing the beliefs that you know some conservatives have to me. That stereotyping is dangerous. Did you catch the part where I say I can't fault the insurgents. They are doing the same thing the America loving conservatives would do if we were invaded. Lp - your making of assumptions when confronted with someone who you think you disagree shows the intellectual bankrputcy of the left. To call me a war monger is a categorical misrepresentation. I've been to Hiroshima. I've seen what the American war machine can do and firmly believe that American military might should only be unleashed in a place where we are looking to wage total war or have a clear plan of preventing threats to our or our allies's sovereignty. The country has started what I call an offensive war. Instead of waving the white flag of surrender like Barry and his liberal elite backers want to do, we have an absolute obligation to the Iraqis to leave the country in better shape than we found it. The flaw is that the Neocons thought that the model of Japan/Germany could be applied, when in fact, that model assumes total annihilation of a country as a starting point, and the libs won't let that happen, so that model has to get tossed. The gov is busy cooking up a new one, and that one might take a damn long time to execute. We can't just leave the place in tatters and pull out. It's too damn late. The ideal thing would be to split the country up, but the lib model of everybody getting along and multicultarism diversity PC everyone get in a circle and hug each other ain't gonna work over there. You're right. It ain't gonna work over there. That's where smart diplomacy would've been helpful (with a big stick to back it up). We made a huge mistake over there, and they hate us all that much more now. The stupid thought that we could go over there and show them who's boss was really a huge mistake. We won't get it more cleaned up in 6 months or 6 years. There will be small groups attacking us for years over there. Doing more of what we're doing isn't a sign of strength, it's a sign of an inability to learn from mistakes. Prove how staying over there longer will "help get things cleaned up."
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