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Post by NotMyKid on Nov 16, 2016 10:28:19 GMT -6
"It hasn't stopped yet, this constant thrum of voices telling us that we need to 'understand' the 'pain' and the 'fear' of Trump voters. 'We,' in this case, are the ones who look at those Americans and see the most loathsome versions of ourselves, the ill-informed, the overly credulous, the willing patsies, the greedy marks, the covetous fools, and the racist shits. In order to move ahead, we must reach out to this group, we're told, that we, who supported the auto industry bailout and health care and food stamps and job retraining and addiction services, we whose liberal policies kept them from flat out dying, we are the ones who didn't get it. What a goddamned joke to tell us that we don't understand and those who tried to cut or prevent or get rid of all of those things do understand."Thor's fave, rude pundit rudepundit.blogspot.com/2016/11/american-eclipse-part-4-your-white-pain.html?m=1 He Butthurt for sure.
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Post by thunderhawk on Nov 16, 2016 10:34:29 GMT -6
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Post by thunderhawk on Nov 16, 2016 10:35:58 GMT -6
"It hasn't stopped yet, this constant thrum of voices telling us that we need to 'understand' the 'pain' and the 'fear' of Trump voters. 'We,' in this case, are the ones who look at those Americans and see the most loathsome versions of ourselves, the ill-informed, the overly credulous, the willing patsies, the greedy marks, the covetous fools, and the racist shits. In order to move ahead, we must reach out to this group, we're told, that we, who supported the auto industry bailout and health care and food stamps and job retraining and addiction services, we whose liberal policies kept them from flat out dying, we are the ones who didn't get it. What a goddamned joke to tell us that we don't understand and those who tried to cut or prevent or get rid of all of those things do understand."Thor's fave, rude pundit rudepundit.blogspot.com/2016/11/american-eclipse-part-4-your-white-pain.html?m=1 He Butthurt for sure. He's right tho. The problem with democracy is that stupid people can vote. If people like me and you were running the show, problems would arise, problems would be fixed, rinse and repeat. Cold logic.
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Post by GhostMod 5000 on Nov 16, 2016 10:40:54 GMT -6
He's right tho. The problem with democracy is that stupid people can vote. If people like me and you were running the show, problems would arise, problems would be fixed, rinse and repeat. Cold logic. No, Bernie says we need to take on the issue of Corporate greed and Wall St. abuses in order to win over poor white voters. Similar to the way white voters switched to the GOP in the late 60's, when the Republicans started passing tough regulations on big banks and raising the high-end corporate tax rate. That's the kind of thing that resonates with white voters, and until the Democrats start considering policy that refuses to let corporate power run rampant, the little guy getting trampled will continue to vote for the party that represents their economic interests.
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Post by thunderhawk on Nov 16, 2016 10:45:05 GMT -6
I've gone about 25 years without knocking a motherfucker out. I fear that streak is about to come to an unceremonious end. Thunder you wearing a SAFETY PIN. I doubt it. I never wear any of that shit. I do however have a baseball bat in my rig and it ain't there for show.
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Post by thunderhawk on Nov 16, 2016 10:47:40 GMT -6
I never wear any of that shit. I do however have a baseball bat in my rig and it ain't there for show. why haven't you purchased a Nightmare yet?!? Kids in the house, man.
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Post by thunderhawk on Nov 16, 2016 10:49:22 GMT -6
Full disclosure:
I've taken a few of those political ideology tests and I always score out at "Eisenhower."
Which I have to say is probably about right.
Except for the removal of Mosadegh in Iran, which continues to fuck us hard.
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Post by thunderhawk on Nov 16, 2016 10:53:19 GMT -6
at least you didn't claim that President Blackenstein would immediately confiscate ur gun if you bought one. I heard on NPR today the gun store sales are way down and gun manufacturer stocks have tanked since the "election." Hilolololololarious
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Post by BrainFerentz4Prez on Nov 16, 2016 10:57:05 GMT -6
at least you didn't claim that President Blackenstein would immediately confiscate ur gun if you bought one. I heard on NPR today the gun store sales are way down and gun manufacturer stocks have tanked since the "election." Hilolololololarious The two best fings to ever happen to gun stores and gun manufacturers are Bill Clinton and Barak Obama.
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Post by GhostMod 5000 on Nov 16, 2016 11:24:21 GMT -6
The two best fings to ever happen to gun stores and gun manufacturers are Bill Clinton and Barak Obama. don't forget all the fearful idiots who think they need multiple military-grade assault rifles for "hunting" or "home defense" know anyone like that, ffud? Molon Labe asshole
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Post by BrainFerentz4Prez on Nov 16, 2016 11:36:49 GMT -6
The two best fings to ever happen to gun stores and gun manufacturers are Bill Clinton and Barak Obama. don't forget all the fearful idiots who think they need multiple military-grade assault rifles for "hunting" or "home defense" know anyone like that, ffud? I got some relatives on my mom's side like that.
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Post by Stan's Field on Nov 16, 2016 11:57:32 GMT -6
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Post by socal on Nov 16, 2016 13:11:08 GMT -6
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Post by GhostMod 5000 on Nov 16, 2016 15:27:15 GMT -6
Isolated incident. If it were real, CNN would be all over it. Stop crying about your safe spaces libtard.
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Post by NotMyKid on Nov 16, 2016 15:52:56 GMT -6
a lot less butthurt than "the white working class" and their "economic anxiety" tho. And as Thor pointed out, the paragraph above is 100% accurate. The stupid fucktards who consistently vote against their own self-interests cannot be allowed to ruin this country, but all y'all republicunts are bound & determined to facilitate it. If you didn't vote for POTUS, or voted for johnson or stein, then you're guilty of being a facilitator. Actually the blame lies with the millions of Obama voters in many key states that didn't vote this cycle. That's why Hillary lost. Take a look at any election and you are going to have your core left or right voters, it's with all those in the middle where Hillary failed so hard. And I would guess there are also millions of independents that voted for Trump instead of her, I don't agree with them but I doubt the majority if them are racist assholes. That is what Mr. Butthurt (rude pundint) can't seem to understand. He is making lame excuses for why Hillary lost. Are there plenty of racists that voted for Trump? Sure all of the states that normally go GOP (ie the deep south) Sorry but that isn't fucking why she lost Wisc, PA, Florida, Ohio, Iowa, etc. where she should have had a hell of a lot more voters than she did. And give me a fucking break with the 3rd party voters being part of the problem, take all of those in Iowa that voted for Stein and Johnson and Hillary still loses by 5% same in Ohio. As for the rest of the states that is assuming every 3rd party candidate was going to vote for Hillary and not Trump it isn't that fucking easy and you know it. Look as I said I think Hillary would have been a hell of a lot better POTUS but to blame the loss on ONLY racist assholes and idiots is laughable and you know it.
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Post by GhostMod 5000 on Nov 16, 2016 16:24:39 GMT -6
a lot less butthurt than "the white working class" and their "economic anxiety" tho. And as Thor pointed out, the paragraph above is 100% accurate. The stupid fucktards who consistently vote against their own self-interests cannot be allowed to ruin this country, but all y'all republicunts are bound & determined to facilitate it. If you didn't vote for POTUS, or voted for johnson or stein, then you're guilty of being a facilitator. Actually the blame lies with the millions of Obama voters in many key states that didn't vote this cycle. That's why Hillary lost. Take a look at any election and you are going to have your core left or right voters, it's with all those in the middle where Hillary failed so hard. And I would guess there are also millions of independents that voted for Trump instead of her, I don't agree with them but I doubt the majority if them are racist assholes. That is what Mr. Butthurt (rude pundint) can't seem to understand. He is making lame excuses for why Hillary lost. Are there plenty of racists that voted for Trump? Sure all of the states that normally go GOP (ie the deep south) Sorry but that isn't fucking why she lost Wisc, PA, Florida, Ohio, Iowa, etc. where she should have had a hell of a lot more voters than she did. And give me a fucking break with the 3rd party voters being part of the problem, take all of those in Iowa that voted for Stein and Johnson and Hillary still loses by 5% same in Ohio. As for the rest of the states that is assuming every 3rd party candidate was going to vote for Hillary and not Trump it isn't that fucking easy and you know it. Look as I said I think Hillary would have been a hell of a lot better POTUS but to blame the loss on ONLY racist assholes and idiots is laughable and you know it. Listen. I'm not saying that everyone who voted for Trump is a racist. I'm just saying that they seem willing to tolerate racism while not actively (or consciously) participating in it. As far as low turnout goes, I don't have much to add to that except in critical swing states like Wisconsin and North Carolina, restrictive voter ID laws coupled with slashing the number of polling places in areas with large numbers of black voters coincided with very low turnout. Is that the sole reason she lost? No, but it is part of it, and that's fucked up. I do, indeed, have a problem with that. Not because I don't have my own prejudices, or because I'm fully woke and wanna brag on how many black friends I have, but because I have empathy.
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Post by NotMyKid on Nov 16, 2016 18:19:37 GMT -6
Actually the blame lies with the millions of Obama voters in many key states that didn't vote this cycle. That's why Hillary lost. Take a look at any election and you are going to have your core left or right voters, it's with all those in the middle where Hillary failed so hard. And I would guess there are also millions of independents that voted for Trump instead of her, I don't agree with them but I doubt the majority if them are racist assholes. That is what Mr. Butthurt (rude pundint) can't seem to understand. He is making lame excuses for why Hillary lost. Are there plenty of racists that voted for Trump? Sure all of the states that normally go GOP (ie the deep south) Sorry but that isn't fucking why she lost Wisc, PA, Florida, Ohio, Iowa, etc. where she should have had a hell of a lot more voters than she did. And give me a fucking break with the 3rd party voters being part of the problem, take all of those in Iowa that voted for Stein and Johnson and Hillary still loses by 5% same in Ohio. As for the rest of the states that is assuming every 3rd party candidate was going to vote for Hillary and not Trump it isn't that fucking easy and you know it. Look as I said I think Hillary would have been a hell of a lot better POTUS but to blame the loss on ONLY racist assholes and idiots is laughable and you know it. Listen. I'm not saying that everyone who voted for Trump is a racist. I'm just saying that they seem willing to tolerate racism while not actively (or consciously) participating in it. As far as low turnout goes, I don't have much to add to that except in critical swing states like Wisconsin and North Carolina, restrictive voter ID laws coupled with slashing the number of polling places in areas with large numbers of black voters coincided with very low turnout. Is that the sole reason she lost? No, but it is part of it, and that's fucked up. I do, indeed, have a problem with that. Not because I don't have my own prejudices, or because I'm fully woke and wanna brag on how many black friends I have, but because I have empathy. I totally get that but you can use that line of reasoning for everything. Sure every Trump voter probably could do more to stop racism but I think every person in this country (aside from a very small %) probably could be doing more to stop it. Same with giving to charity, helping the poor, donating their time, etc. It would be the same if someone said a democrat is for killing babies because they vote for a candidate that supports abortion or this issue or that issue. It's a never fucking ending cycle of taking every last topic to one extreme or the other. I have empathy as well, but empathy doesn't change a damn thing. Teaching my kids to respect all races, genders, cultures, and beliefs is one of my main damn jobs in the world, if someone needs help I help them. (OK, I confess I didn't give every homeless person in NYC money a couple of weeks ago) etc. We all can and should do more that I don't disagree with at all.
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Post by thunderhawk on Nov 16, 2016 18:56:02 GMT -6
I never give money to beggars. They're either hipster scammers or addicts.
My charity goes to the YESS shelter.
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Post by Stan's Field on Nov 16, 2016 19:35:15 GMT -6
I never kill for free.
That's why every hit.....err I mean transaction I process I donate 15% to the Catholic church.
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Post by socal on Nov 16, 2016 20:45:39 GMT -6
Listen. I'm not saying that everyone who voted for Trump is a racist. I'm just saying that they seem willing to tolerate racism while not actively (or consciously) participating in it. As far as low turnout goes, I don't have much to add to that except in critical swing states like Wisconsin and North Carolina, restrictive voter ID laws coupled with slashing the number of polling places in areas with large numbers of black voters coincided with very low turnout. Is that the sole reason she lost? No, but it is part of it, and that's fucked up. I do, indeed, have a problem with that. Not because I don't have my own prejudices, or because I'm fully woke and wanna brag on how many black friends I have, but because I have empathy. I totally get that but you can use that line of reasoning for everything. Sure every Trump voter probably could do more to stop racism but I think every person in this country (aside from a very small %) probably could be doing more to stop it. Same with giving to charity, helping the poor, donating their time, etc. It would be the same if someone said a democrat is for killing babies because they vote for a candidate that supports abortion or this issue or that issue. It's a never fucking ending cycle of taking every last topic to one extreme or the other. I have empathy as well, but empathy doesn't change a damn thing. Teaching my kids to respect all races, genders, cultures, and beliefs is one of my main damn jobs in the world, if someone needs help I help them. (OK, I confess I didn't give every homeless person in NYC money a couple of weeks ago) etc. We all can and should do more that I don't disagree with at all. It came down to 107,000 votes that Trump won by. Their plan to suppress the vote by: telling Blacks they are being used, bringing up Bill's past to mitigate Trump's, laser-like pounding on the e-mails to draw attention to trustworthiness, and actual voter suppression by voter purges and removal of early voting. This doesn't even account for Comey and the "both candidates suck" tripe that, while true, removed all scales of the extremes to which they suck. I'm sure these acts contributed in more than 107,000 voters choosing not to vote. Trump played the right cards in order and won against everyone's thinking.
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Post by Incogayno. on Nov 17, 2016 5:15:01 GMT -6
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Post by socal on Nov 17, 2016 6:57:02 GMT -6
It came down to 107,000 votes that Trump won by. Their plan to suppress the vote by: telling Blacks they are being used, bringing up Bill's past to mitigate Trump's, laser-like pounding on the e-mails to draw attention to trustworthiness, and actual voter suppression by voter purges and removal of early voting. This doesn't even account for Comey and the "both candidates suck" tripe that, while true, removed all scales of the extremes to which they suck. I'm sure these acts contributed in more than 107,000 voters choosing not to vote. Trump played the right cards in order and won against everyone's thinking. HRC currently leads drumpf by more than 1 million popular votes. And still many to be counted. He didn't get more votes than she did. He "won" because of the idiotic and totally skewed electoral college system. And comey/putin. #peskyfacts Yes, but that ignores approx 107,000 votes less for Trump... or 107,001 combined votes more for Clinton in PA, MI, WI would have won her the electoral college. The vote suppression caused her eventual 2 million popular vote win from being 3 million+. Out of that lesser total, it is pretty friggin likely the 107,000 shortfall is found.
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Post by GhostMod 5000 on Nov 17, 2016 9:05:29 GMT -6
Listen. I'm not saying that everyone who voted for Trump is a racist. I'm just saying that they seem willing to tolerate racism while not actively (or consciously) participating in it. As far as low turnout goes, I don't have much to add to that except in critical swing states like Wisconsin and North Carolina, restrictive voter ID laws coupled with slashing the number of polling places in areas with large numbers of black voters coincided with very low turnout. Is that the sole reason she lost? No, but it is part of it, and that's fucked up. I do, indeed, have a problem with that. Not because I don't have my own prejudices, or because I'm fully woke and wanna brag on how many black friends I have, but because I have empathy. I totally get that but you can use that line of reasoning for everything. Sure every Trump voter probably could do more to stop racism but I think every person in this country (aside from a very small %) probably could be doing more to stop it. Same with giving to charity, helping the poor, donating their time, etc. It would be the same if someone said a democrat is for killing babies because they vote for a candidate that supports abortion or this issue or that issue. It's a never fucking ending cycle of taking every last topic to one extreme or the other. I have empathy as well, but empathy doesn't change a damn thing. Teaching my kids to respect all races, genders, cultures, and beliefs is one of my main damn jobs in the world, if someone needs help I help them. (OK, I confess I didn't give every homeless person in NYC money a couple of weeks ago) etc. We all can and should do more that I don't disagree with at all. I don't think stating that Donald Trump brought racism openly into public discourse is an extreme statement. I'll just give this piece and end it. Perhaps many people in the mythical white working class feel powerless and forgotten because natural gas is better than coal and people who work at craft stores wanted to use the birth control pill. Whatever, they're entitled to feel what they feel, and I don't have the right to tell you how to feel. However, what I refuse to tolerate is people who feel vulnerable and forgotten attacking those who are even more vulnerable and forgotten. Trump's campaign, to me at least, seemed to prey on the most vulnerable people. He mocked a disabled guy. He wants to register religious minorities. He claimed that he uses his wealth and power to get whatever he wants from women. If you're a person who feels like you're not getting a fair shake in society, why in God's name would you associate with a man who will trample others to get you what you want? That is a textbook lack of empathy. Some people can tolerate this. I can't. Whatever.
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Post by NotMyKid on Nov 17, 2016 9:13:29 GMT -6
It came down to 107,000 votes that Trump won by. Their plan to suppress the vote by: telling Blacks they are being used, bringing up Bill's past to mitigate Trump's, laser-like pounding on the e-mails to draw attention to trustworthiness, and actual voter suppression by voter purges and removal of early voting. This doesn't even account for Comey and the "both candidates suck" tripe that, while true, removed all scales of the extremes to which they suck. I'm sure these acts contributed in more than 107,000 voters choosing not to vote. Trump played the right cards in order and won against everyone's thinking. HRC currently leads drumpf by more than 1 million popular votes. And still many to be counted. He didn't get more votes than she did. He "won" because of the idiotic and totally skewed electoral college system. And comey/putin. #peskyfacts Yes, peskyfacts of the electoral college system that is current law. I never said he beat her in the popular vote. Look I am not saying that it should/shouldn't be changed I am just saying based on the way the current system is set up she didn't get enough votes in those key states she needed to win. And I have no doubt that voter suppression is real and some people that wanted to voted weren't able to for one reason or another. That shouldn't happen. But there were far more able bodied eligible voters that didn't vote because they didn't feel like it or some other idiotic reason. Hell, maybe they stayed home because every poll said that Hillary was going to win so they didn't bother voting for her. Who knows. And Socal back to your point it's pretty crazy that it actually all came down to those 107,000 votes in MI, PA and WI that decided the election.
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Post by NotMyKid on Nov 17, 2016 9:21:10 GMT -6
I totally get that but you can use that line of reasoning for everything. Sure every Trump voter probably could do more to stop racism but I think every person in this country (aside from a very small %) probably could be doing more to stop it. Same with giving to charity, helping the poor, donating their time, etc. It would be the same if someone said a democrat is for killing babies because they vote for a candidate that supports abortion or this issue or that issue. It's a never fucking ending cycle of taking every last topic to one extreme or the other. I have empathy as well, but empathy doesn't change a damn thing. Teaching my kids to respect all races, genders, cultures, and beliefs is one of my main damn jobs in the world, if someone needs help I help them. (OK, I confess I didn't give every homeless person in NYC money a couple of weeks ago) etc. We all can and should do more that I don't disagree with at all. I don't think stating that Donald Trump brought racism openly into public discourse is an extreme statement. I'll just give this piece and end it. Perhaps many people in the mythical white working class feel powerless and forgotten because natural gas is better than coal and people who work at craft stores wanted to use the birth control pill. Whatever, they're entitled to feel what they feel, and I don't have the right to tell you how to feel. However, what I refuse to tolerate is people who feel vulnerable and forgotten attacking those who are even more vulnerable and forgotten. Trump's campaign, to me at least, seemed to prey on the most vulnerable people. He mocked a disabled guy. He wants to register religious minorities. He claimed that he uses his wealth and power to get whatever he wants from women. If you're a person who feels like you're not getting a fair shake in society, why in God's name would you associate with a man who will trample others to get you what you want? That is a textbook lack of empathy. Some people can tolerate this. I can't. Whatever. Oh it is not an extreme statement at all. I agree with everything you said above. And it's why I thought just like pretty much everybody else why he had no shot at winning. Of course I didn't think he would win the primary either.
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