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Post by roxxstar on Mar 13, 2009 15:24:01 GMT -6
Do you know Michael at all? Or do you just get this impression from watching his films? I would say there is some borderline jealously in your post.  Jealous of what? Like I said he brings up a lot of good points, the guy just irritates me when I see him. Not sure where you are getting jealousy from. I’m just giving you crap man. It just seems like your reasons for disliking him are a tad petty. For example: ‘He loves himself too much”, “his fat ugly mug”, “fat nerdy know it all”, “getting boners”. For some reason it reminds me of a closet homosexual redneck beating up a gay guy at a party for being gay………..I’m just breaking your balls. I don’t have any problem with Michael Moore. Just trying to defend the dude from personal attacks when we should concentrate on what he’s actually saying instead. |
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Post by HawksStock on Mar 13, 2009 15:28:54 GMT -6
Okay just to make sure you understood where I stand on this issue, didn't I say I favored a constitutional amendment on this... As much as I believe it should be, without an amendment, anyone who wants this is a traitor. (unless of course they're looking for an amendment to clear the way, as I am)
To you pure capitalists, I think universal health care would make this company more competitive for businesses.
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Post by twinegarden on Mar 13, 2009 15:29:59 GMT -6
Jealous of what? Like I said he brings up a lot of good points, the guy just irritates me when I see him. Not sure where you are getting jealousy from. I’m just giving you crap man. It just seems like your reasons for disliking him are a tad petty. For example: ‘He loves himself too much”, “his fat ugly mug”, “fat nerdy know it all”, “getting boners”. For some reason it reminds me of a closet homosexual redneck beating up a gay guy at a party for being gay………..I’m just breaking your balls. I don’t have any problem with Michael Moore. Just trying to defend the dude from personal attacks when we should concentrate on what he’s actually saying instead. I'm not alone im my opinions about Micheal Moore. Alot of people, even those who agree with his points still think he makes a bad name for people who lean toward the left. Plus, I'm support the right to bear arms, which he is adamantly against. |
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Post by HawksStock on Mar 13, 2009 15:34:58 GMT -6
I’m just giving you crap man. It just seems like your reasons for disliking him are a tad petty. For example: ‘He loves himself too much”, “his fat ugly mug”, “fat nerdy know it all”, “getting boners”. For some reason it reminds me of a closet homosexual redneck beating up a gay guy at a party for being gay………..I’m just breaking your balls. I don’t have any problem with Michael Moore. Just trying to defend the dude from personal attacks when we should concentrate on what he’s actually saying instead. I'm not alone im my opinions about Micheal MooreMAlot of people, even those who agree with his points still think he makes a bad name for people who lean toward the left. Plus, I'm support the right to bear arms, which he is adamantly against. I disagree with a lot of shit he supports as well, and especially with him photo doctoring newspaper headlines. But his intentions are phenomenal, read his playboy interview, hopefully it's online. When I moved in here I found a stash of girly magazine's (seriously, I prefer the hard shit online), but I kept the playboy's for the articles. Moore's beliefs are based solely on his belief in christ and his love of humanity. He's just not intelligent enough to be objective. |
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Post by roxxstar on Mar 13, 2009 16:56:12 GMT -6
I’m just giving you crap man. It just seems like your reasons for disliking him are a tad petty. For example: ‘He loves himself too much”, “his fat ugly mug”, “fat nerdy know it all”, “getting boners”. For some reason it reminds me of a closet homosexual redneck beating up a gay guy at a party for being gay………..I’m just breaking your balls. I don’t have any problem with Michael Moore. Just trying to defend the dude from personal attacks when we should concentrate on what he’s actually saying instead. I'm not alone im my opinions about Micheal Moore. Alot of people, even those who agree with his points still think he makes a bad name for people who lean toward the left. Plus, I'm support the right to bear arms, which he is adamantly against. I hear what you are saying. And it's not like I'm a Michael Moore fanboy or anything. I'm just saying that most people only rip on him for being fat and obnoxious. Lots of people are fat and obnoxious. I didn't realize he was against the right to bear arms (I don't know much about the political scene and it's players because I never gave a fuck until recently). But, in my mind, that only makes me like him more. Yeah, I'll say it. Guns are evil. LOL But no, seriously.......................guns........guns are bad.........m'kay. |
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Post by Saggitariutt Jefferspin (ith) on Mar 13, 2009 17:00:39 GMT -6
I'm not alone im my opinions about Micheal Moore. Alot of people, even those who agree with his points still think he makes a bad name for people who lean toward the left. Plus, I'm support the right to bear arms, which he is adamantly against. I hear what you are saying. And it's not like I'm a Michael Moore fanboy or anything. I'm just saying that most people only rip on him for being fat and obnoxious. Lots of people are fat and obnoxious. I didn't realize he was against the right to bear arms (I don't know much about the political scene and it's players because I never gave a f**k until recently). But, in my mind, that only makes me like him more. Yeah, I'll say it. Guns are evil. LOL But no, seriously.......................guns........guns are bad.........m'kay. Dude....just....ugh.  It's the people using the guns that are evil. If they didn't have a gun they'd buy a super-powered sling shot and kill people with it. |
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Post by HawksStock on Mar 13, 2009 17:03:54 GMT -6
Man turd, you don't get it. The ability to cause death needs to be available to those who use it rationally and are essentially good, the bad will always posses this.
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Post by Saggitariutt Jefferspin (ith) on Mar 13, 2009 17:14:02 GMT -6
Man turd, you don't get it. The ability to cause death needs to be available to those who use it rationally and are essentially good, the bad will always posses this. It's FLYING turd. Jeez, I'm not totally classless. |
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Post by Solar Stud on Mar 13, 2009 17:16:31 GMT -6
Man turd, you don't get it. The ability to cause death needs to be available to those who use it rationally and are essentially good, the bad will always posses this. It's FLYING turd. Jeez, I'm not totally classless. So Itheus, does "flying turd" come from your stint in the IC slammer? |
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Post by Saggitariutt Jefferspin (ith) on Mar 13, 2009 17:23:58 GMT -6
It's FLYING turd. Jeez, I'm not totally classless. So Itheus, does "flying turd" come from your stint in the IC slammer? Hey shitwad, you're breaking your own rule. You and Ron stated you would be done with the jail ball busting after the season. I have plenty of other flaws to made fun of.  ...and luckily no one used the shitter while in the drunk tank. It was right in the middle of the room with not much room. |
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Post by Solar Stud on Mar 13, 2009 17:35:03 GMT -6
So Itheus, does "flying turd" come from your stint in the IC slammer? Hey shitwad, you're breaking your own rule. You and Ron stated you would be done with the jail ball busting after the season. I have plenty of other flaws to made fun of. ...and luckily no one used the shitter while in the drunk tank. It was right in the middle of the room with not much room. We'll let the board decide......suck eggs. |
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Post by HawksStock on Mar 13, 2009 17:59:18 GMT -6
It's time to just become honest with everything, would you rather that you and I own guns, or would prefer for the Rothschild's to own them?
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Post by NotMyKid on Mar 16, 2009 15:28:55 GMT -6
I agree 100% that there is a problem with the Health Care system that we have and something needs to be done to fix it. But I have to say the drug companies and the Health Insurance companies are only a part of the problem. 1. People are fat and out of shape 2. People use the ER like a office visit 3. People wait until they are really sick to see a Doctor. 4. Lawyers 5. Stupid ass law suits 6. Doctors give tests for everything under the sun for fear of being sued 7. everybody wants the best treatment 8. Drug companies spend millions of dollars on R/D to find new drugs some work some don't 9. A lot of doctors are pill pushers 10. ETC. Question- So a husband and wife pay $400 a month on health premiums and decide they want to start a family. They have a kid that racks up hospital bills of $15,000. How does Insurance company make there money back? Answer- Charge their healthy clients a higher premium. Sounds a lot like taxing the rich if you ask me.  |
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Post by mattahawk on Mar 16, 2009 16:32:22 GMT -6
At least stem cell research has been given the green light. Agreed 100% on the stem cell research. Also agreed about Rush. Him being a big fat douche does not make Moore any less of a big fat douche. |
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Post by thunderhawk on Mar 17, 2009 20:25:44 GMT -6
I agree 100% that there is a problem with the Health Care system that we have and something needs to be done to fix it. But I have to say the drug companies and the Health Insurance companies are only a part of the problem. 1. People are fat and out of shape 2. People use the ER like a office visit 3. People wait until they are really sick to see a Doctor. 4. Lawyers 5. Stupid ass law suits 6. Doctors give tests for everything under the sun for fear of being sued 7. everybody wants the best treatment 8. Drug companies spend millions of dollars on R/D to find new drugs some work some don't 9. A lot of doctors are pill pushers 10. ETC. Question- So a husband and wife pay $400 a month on health premiums and decide they want to start a family. They have a kid that racks up hospital bills of $15,000. How does Insurance company make there money back? Answer- Charge their healthy clients a higher premium. Sounds a lot like taxing the rich if you ask me. Lawyers and lawsuits? The vast majority of medical malpractice is never prosecuted, and plaintiffs routinely receive inadequate compensation when it is (limited by insurance policy limits). It costs a lawyer about 50K up front to prosecute a medical malpractice claim and experts are required to bring suit. No lawyer with any sense of self preservation would bring an unfounded malpractice suit unless he wanted to tempt the gods of bankruptcy. |
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Post by HawksStock on Mar 17, 2009 21:29:01 GMT -6
I agree 100% that there is a problem with the Health Care system that we have and something needs to be done to fix it. But I have to say the drug companies and the Health Insurance companies are only a part of the problem. 1. People are fat and out of shape 2. People use the ER like a office visit 3. People wait until they are really sick to see a Doctor. 4. Lawyers 5. Stupid ass law suits 6. Doctors give tests for everything under the sun for fear of being sued 7. everybody wants the best treatment 8. Drug companies spend millions of dollars on R/D to find new drugs some work some don't 9. A lot of doctors are pill pushers 10. ETC. Question- So a husband and wife pay $400 a month on health premiums and decide they want to start a family. They have a kid that racks up hospital bills of $15,000. How does Insurance company make there money back? Answer- Charge their healthy clients a higher premium. Sounds a lot like taxing the rich if you ask me. Lawyers and lawsuits? The vast majority of medical malpractice is never prosecuted, and plaintiffs routinely receive inadequate compensation when it is (limited by insurance policy limits). It costs a lawyer about 50K up front to prosecute a medical malpractice claim and experts are required to bring suit. No lawyer with any sense of self preservation would bring an unfounded malpractice suit unless he wanted to tempt the gods of bankruptcy. A lawyer with a 30% commision could be looking at a 50 million dollar ruling. It may be like winning the lottery but how many of us play... and they get to count on the results being directly related to their ability. There does need to be a cap, the same reason you have seen an increase in my "liberalism", is the same reason there needs to be an increase in you "conservatism". Ration needs to be accounted for, my new party, unfortunately to embraced by nerds... is Vulcan. |
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Post by Norm "racerhawk" Parker on Mar 17, 2009 22:29:49 GMT -6
Health care is different from other industries because if you don't have your health, you ain't got shit. Or you're dead or dying. It's one of those "prerequisite" things. Was "Sicko" biased? Yes. It made Cuba look better than it is. It didn't address the fact that American medicine, if you can get it, is about the best there is. But the central premise is valid: "For-profit" health care is deadly. Literally. Back in the day, pre-Nixon and his letting the HMO genie out of the bottle, "for profit" health care was considered unethical and taboo. I've studied the American health care system pretty extensively academically and professionally, and you can rest assured that the shit Moore dug up regarding the insurance companies and HMOs is only the tip of the iceberg. Ironically, the United States finds itself in the enviable position of being able to cherry-pick the best aspects of other countries' systems while learning from their mistakes. The insurance lobby will fight tooth and nail to prevent their having to actually pay for procedures for sick people, but truly, they can f**k off. They are parasites on the system to the extent that they obtain profit by denying needed care. The doctors, nurses, hospitals and other health providers should get paid well, the patients should get treated, and patients and doctors should make medical decisions. Those are the parameters under which a decent system must operate. If the CEO of Cigna loses his 20 million dollar bonus, well, f**k him. He's got blood on his hands already. Great points. It's important to remember that doctors, nurses, and in general, hospitals try to provide good care and maintain a positive fund balance to reinvest in unprofitable service lines that still benefit the communities they serve. We must strive to separate the providers from the insurance schmucks. HMOs like United Health Care provide nothing of value. They take your money in advance, and then try to limit their losses. Typically, this has meant great profits for them (and their shareholders). This has NOTHING to do with the ACTUAL provision of health care. Those that are against any kind of health care reform need to check themselves. We are not asking for the government to provide the care, for doctors and nurses from various hospitals and clnics do that just fine. We want to preserve competition. What we need to get rid of is the speculative, sleazy element that provides no value. Just try to remember that when people talk of health care reform, we don't want to get rid of innovaion and competition, we just want to get rid of the profiteering in insurance. They have made a killing...literally. This is distinct and separate from the PROVISION of health care. It irritates me that people think that the speculative, smarmy insurance industry is in the "health care business," as they do not provide health care at all. The just skim from the top. Let's get rid of them. |
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Post by roxxstar on Mar 18, 2009 7:36:29 GMT -6
I hear what you are saying. And it's not like I'm a Michael Moore fanboy or anything. I'm just saying that most people only rip on him for being fat and obnoxious. Lots of people are fat and obnoxious. I didn't realize he was against the right to bear arms (I don't know much about the political scene and it's players because I never gave a f**k until recently). But, in my mind, that only makes me like him more. Yeah, I'll say it. Guns are evil. LOL But no, seriously.......................guns........guns are bad.........m'kay. Dude....just....ugh. It's the people using the guns that are evil. If they didn't have a gun they'd buy a super-powered sling shot and kill people with it. I know, I know...........guns aren't evil, people are. I've heard that reasoning my whole life. Still, I'd rather take my chances with the evil guy and his slingshot then with the evil guy and his shotgun. |
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Post by thunderhawk on Mar 18, 2009 13:23:15 GMT -6
Dude....just....ugh. It's the people using the guns that are evil. If they didn't have a gun they'd buy a super-powered sling shot and kill people with it. I know, I know...........guns aren't evil, people are. I've heard that reasoning my whole life. Still, I'd rather take my chances with the evil guy and his slingshot then with the evil guy and his shotgun. Well, all I know is that if I see someone who ain't a cop brandishing a gun in public, I immediately and reflexively begin to think of ways to avoid, disable, or kill said person. Guns may not be evil, but evil people with guns are deadly, and I don't plan on allowing such a cocksucker to take me out. |
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Post by roxxstar on Mar 18, 2009 13:50:27 GMT -6
I hear what your saying. I just think that people are running in circles with the whole "guns should be legal because bad people have them and we need to protect ourselves" argument. I'm not naive enough to think that guns will be outlawed any time soon. But I really think that if guns were outlawed, period, then alot less people would be killed. I believe that as civilization evolves we will eventually outlaw guns completely. My logic is that guns are designed to kill people. Killing people is bad. So guns are bad too. Why not get rid of guns? If guns were illegal to buy or possess, it would make it much harder for criminals to obtain them. Eventually, they would dissapear (I realize it would take a long time for this to happen). All of this is a long way away (if it happens at all). But I think eventually we will get there. I also think that eventually we will evolve to the point where there is no war, prisons (or at least very, very few prisons) or money (at least not money in the way we use it now with capitalism). Call me crazy, but we will someday realize that war is wrong (period), killing people is wrong (period), revenge (eye for an eye mentality) is wrong (period), capitalism is wrong (period), as well as any other system in which a few control the majority of power and wealth. We are probably talking another 1000 years or 2 though. |
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Post by lpcalihawk on Mar 18, 2009 14:17:40 GMT -6
I hear what your saying. I just think that people are running in circles with the whole "guns should be legal because bad people have them and we need to protect ourselves" argument. I'm not naive enough to think that guns will be outlawed any time soon. But I really think that if guns were outlawed, period, then alot less people would be killed. I believe that as civilization evolves we will eventually outlaw guns completely. My logic is that guns are designed to kill people. Killing people is bad. So guns are bad too. Why not get rid of guns? If guns were illegal to buy or possess, it would make it much harder for criminals to obtain them. Eventually, they would dissapear (I realize it would take a long time for this to happen). All of this is a long way away (if it happens at all). But I think eventually we will get there. I also think that eventually we will evolve to the point where there is no war, prisons (or at least very, very few prisons) or money (at least not money in the way we use it now with capitalism). Call me crazy, but we will someday realize that war is wrong (period), killing people is wrong (period), revenge (eye for an eye mentality) is wrong (period), capitalism is wrong (period), as well as any other system in which a few control the majority of power and wealth. We are probably talking another 1000 years or 2 though. I'm with you, Jesus. That day will come. We just won't be around to see it. |
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Post by thunderhawk on Mar 18, 2009 20:56:40 GMT -6
Lawyers and lawsuits? The vast majority of medical malpractice is never prosecuted, and plaintiffs routinely receive inadequate compensation when it is (limited by insurance policy limits). It costs a lawyer about 50K up front to prosecute a medical malpractice claim and experts are required to bring suit. No lawyer with any sense of self preservation would bring an unfounded malpractice suit unless he wanted to tempt the gods of bankruptcy. A lawyer with a 30% commision could be looking at a 50 million dollar ruling. It may be like winning the lottery but how many of us play... and they get to count on the results being directly related to their ability. There does need to be a cap, the same reason you have seen an increase in my "liberalism", is the same reason there needs to be an increase in you "conservatism". Ration needs to be accounted for, my new party, unfortunately to embraced by nerds... is Vulcan. There is for all intents and purposes a cap...the doctor's malpractice insurance company limits. That goes for just about any personal injury tort action. I'll be blunt: If there isn't insurance, there probably ain't gonna be a lawsuit. Here's another scary fact: 50% of malpractice is committed by 5% of doctors. Repeat offenders. How they keep their insurance is a fucking mystery of the universe. I know of some really shitty docs in DM...if any of you are going under the knife, you might want to run the name of the surgeon by me first. I'm dead (pun intended) serious. I know who the bad ones are. Oh, one more piece of legal advice: Load up on the under/uninsured motorist coverage in your auto insurance policy. And stack that shit if you've got multiple vehicles. |
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Post by NOTTHOR on Mar 21, 2009 18:10:44 GMT -6
I just caught a little bit of Sicko while flipping channels. It looks to me like Cuba and France are utopia. Here is a link to American Airline's website. Please buy a one way ticket. I think you guys will like it there: www.aa.comI really sincerely hope that the people who visited that hospital in Cuba didn't take the "free" thing too literally. I would feel pretty god damned low taking "free" healthcare from a country full of peasants. Couldn't they just go shake down some Girl Scouts or something? I've already told everyone how I lived in a place with "free" healthcare. It has its pluses and minuses. Humira is now available in Japan. www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/104744.phpOf course, my wife has been using it for 5 years in the US and it was unavailable in Japan when we lived there. It's expensive as shit, but I'll pay anything to keep my wife's joints from being destroyed. My wife gaining faster access to that miracle drug sure is one positive of our system. |
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