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Post by NOTTHOR on Aug 5, 2009 13:37:58 GMT -6
How do you guys feel about situations where idiots knowingly or recklessly put themselves in harm's way and then expect the government to come rescue them? Case in point, the two women who entered North Korea or the hikers who entered Iran. The State Department expends a shitload of resources on matters like these. I think it's similar to guys who go hiking when there are avalanche or blizzard warnings.
My theory is that if you disregard a known risk and put your neck on the line, you should have to reimburse the government for the cost of bailing your ass out, so basically the gals who just got released from North Korea have to pay for the plane that picked them up, the State Department's time and Bill Clinton's normal asking rate. You guys agree or should the taxpayers foot the bill whenever people want to go to North Korea or Iran?
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Post by poncho72 on Aug 5, 2009 14:16:47 GMT -6
I say save the money, leave the idiots and turn my streetlights back on!!!!!
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Post by socal on Aug 5, 2009 14:57:28 GMT -6
That's one of the arguments I have with myself over nationalized healthcare.
Would this cover people that do "extreme sports"? Or to a lesser extent - offer coverage for football injuries?
As when the legislation passes, it doesn't immediately increase the intelligence of our population.
There will undoubtedly continue to be "honorable mentions" to the Darwin Awards, or for that matter - people choosing to maintain a nuclear reactor on an aircraft carrier.
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Post by thejesus on Aug 5, 2009 15:11:41 GMT -6
Whether they are retarded or not, it's still the "right thing" to help them out. Spending 12 years doing hard labor in North Korea for some bullshit would certainly suck balls.
I have no problem with this. Not that my blessing makes two shits of a difference.
Carry on.
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Post by twine on Aug 5, 2009 23:38:53 GMT -6
The whole situation kind of seems like a PR sham. North Korea has been on the forefront as you biggest threat in the news lately. With their random "nuke rocket" tests, the closed doors, and their "kidnapping", they appear to be a giant totalitarian threat. In enters Bill Clinton, probably the second largest figurehead for the Democrats behind Obama at present time, into the country to rescue these kidnapped journalists. I would bet that within a year these journalists will capitalize on their experience and write some best tellers about their harrowing experiences. Although what they experienced may be true and awful, the whole situation makes me wonder what would happen if we instituted these strict immigration guidlines that North Korea imposes. Think about it this way, if we captured any illegal immigrant on our soil and made them work as laborers for 11 years, how would that work out? Considering we have an immigration rate that isn't too far off from the birth rate and an emmigration rate that is way lower than the death rate; the current residents of the United States could have an entire empire of migrant workers doing their labor for years to come. The consequences of this type of policy in the US would turn the country of the United States into a frenzy in no time. Yet, a country like North Korea can employ this type of policy. To be perfectly honest, I'm not sure what I am going with this. Still it's an interesting thought. I kind of think that the United States and developed countries do have a bit of a right in throwing their weight around the world when whatever we are doing is causing billions of people to want to come to our country to live the privledged life that we do. If our ideals and morals are spread around the world, maybe the temptation to come here will decrease we can have a worldly stable birth, death, immigration and emigration rate for most countries. If we could accomplish this, resource management could become a feasibly positive economic condtion if all areas of the world had population sizes able to maximize the potential of their resources. Some people might claim we have it that way because of economic manipulation, some will say that it is because of military superiority, some will say because of dominant culture, and others will say it is all bullshit and not think twice. However, given difficuties, Amercians have been known throughout our brief history to quickly adapt when our situation changes. Free will has given us the right to have a collective voice amongst the people. A country like North Korea mandates outrageous policies that stiffle free will of people in general, hence a situation like one where they feel free to imprison and enslave people foreign to their soil. If my education serves me correct, the situation is called an Ockham's RaZor. I could be wrong and I won't reference the term on google to prove a point. It all boils down to left vs. right, right and wrong, peas and carrots, apples to oranges, and God vs. Satan. The truth to the whole situation lies in the most pure of common denominators and nobody in the world knows how to figure that one out for certian. I guess all you can do is just try and make sense of it all and be the best person you can be and hope everything turns out well for youself and as many others as possible. Semi-drunken, lightly toasted rant... of to Cleveland for the weekend.   |
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Post by thejesus on Aug 6, 2009 7:43:54 GMT -6
Mr. Twine, what you've just said is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard. At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone on this board is now dumber for having listened to it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul.
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Post by lpcalihawk on Aug 6, 2009 7:52:32 GMT -6
The plane used was donated by a Hollywood producer. I think BTR should reimburse us for reading his drivel.
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Post by twine on Aug 6, 2009 8:07:00 GMT -6
Mr. Twine, what you've just said is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard. At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone on this board is now dumber for having listened to it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul. I was expecting that type of reaction. There really is no cohesiveness to the thoughts. |
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Post by NOTTHOR on Aug 6, 2009 8:35:00 GMT -6
The plane used was donated by a Hollywood producer. I think BTR should reimburse us for reading his drivel. When I said pay for the plane, do you think I meant that they should have to pay for the depreciation of the physical asset or that they should have to pay for the gas, the military escorts and the behind the scenes shit? I know the Clintons pal around with plenty of people who have access to private jets, but I doubt these peeps say "Oh sure, I'll fill up that 737 with jet fule for you so you can go tool around with known members of the Axis of Evil." |
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Post by lpcalihawk on Aug 6, 2009 10:40:25 GMT -6
The plane used was donated by a Hollywood producer. I think BTR should reimburse us for reading his drivel. When I said pay for the plane, do you think I meant that they should have to pay for the depreciation of the physical asset or that they should have to pay for the gas, the military escorts and the behind the scenes shit? I know the Clintons pal around with plenty of people who have access to private jets, but I doubt these peeps say "Oh sure, I'll fill up that 737 with jet fule for you so you can go tool around with known members of the Axis of Evil." I think in this case it is quite possible the plane/fuel/pilot were all donated given the circumstances. As for your non-compassionate excuse of a thesis regarding re-payment of costs by the kidnapped, I would expect repayment from them as soon as those large multinational corporations hand over their profits to the families of dead soldiers who died so they could make a buck. |
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Post by NOTTHOR on Aug 6, 2009 11:09:34 GMT -6
When I said pay for the plane, do you think I meant that they should have to pay for the depreciation of the physical asset or that they should have to pay for the gas, the military escorts and the behind the scenes shit? I know the Clintons pal around with plenty of people who have access to private jets, but I doubt these peeps say "Oh sure, I'll fill up that 737 with jet fule for you so you can go tool around with known members of the Axis of Evil." I think in this case it is quite possible the plane/fuel/pilot were all donated given the circumstances. As for your non-compassionate excuse of a thesis regarding re-payment of costs by the kidnapped, I would expect repayment from them as soon as those large multinational corporations hand over their profits to the families of dead soldiers who died so they could make a buck. Interesting you choose to call them kidnapped. If they are actually kidnapped, I have no problem with the gov helping them out, but people who enter into hostile countries are not kidnapped. They are lawbreakers. And I suspect that multinational companies would be able to make a buck without the Empire starting wars abroad. Obama's gonna end war anyway, so you'll be proven wrong very soon. |
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Post by NotMyKid on Aug 6, 2009 13:33:45 GMT -6
Whether they are retarded or not, it's still the "right thing" to help them out. Spending 12 years doing hard labor in North Korea for some bullshit would certainly suck balls. I have no problem with this. Not that my blessing makes two shits of a difference. Carry on. Last time I checked nobody forced them to sneak over the border into North Korea, unless Al told them they had to for his shitty TV channel. |
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Post by lpcalihawk on Aug 6, 2009 14:12:08 GMT -6
I'm surprised BTR isn't more compassionate since these two women were Asian......and we all know how he likes his women. I guess next time the U.S. government should just let them sit and serve their 12 year punishment in North Korea without any intervention. I'm sure if these ladies were church missionaries the right would be singing a different tune.
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Post by thejesus on Aug 6, 2009 14:12:44 GMT -6
Why you quoting my input on this?
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