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Post by twine on Nov 11, 2009 16:25:26 GMT -6
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Post by lpcalihawk on Nov 11, 2009 17:28:22 GMT -6
3 were ministers......all 5 voted Republican
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Post by poncho72 on Nov 11, 2009 19:10:44 GMT -6
Just a sickening story, when I read it all I could think about was if someone did that to my kid they would want to PRAY that I wouldn't get to them before authorities did. I hope they fucking rot in hell!
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Post by Gumbyhawk on Nov 11, 2009 19:17:53 GMT -6
Glad I didn't turn out to be a cop like I had planned because I'd be in prison as soon as I encounted some shitbags like this.
A bullet in each one's head is not nearly enough punishment.
What pisses me off is that the taxpayers will have to pick up the tab for their joke of a prison sentence.
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Post by NOTTHOR on Nov 11, 2009 19:33:12 GMT -6
What pisses me off is that the taxpayers will have to pick up the tab for their joke of a prison sentence. What also sucks is that the state can't kill them. Thank you very little "liberals" on the Supreme Court. |
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Post by thejesus on Nov 12, 2009 14:40:33 GMT -6
Jesus shit .... this world is fucked up. Fucking ministers man? C'mon.
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Post by lpcalihawk on Nov 12, 2009 19:48:06 GMT -6
What pisses me off is that the taxpayers will have to pick up the tab for their joke of a prison sentence. What also sucks is that the state can't kill them. Thank you very little "liberals" on the Supreme Court. Ironic that the same people they vote for are the ones who would want to see them fry |
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Post by thunderhawk on Nov 12, 2009 23:06:03 GMT -6
What also sucks is that the state can't kill them. Thank you very little "liberals" on the Supreme Court. Ironic that the same people they vote for are the ones who would want to see them fry My only real problem with the death penalty is that there is serious risk that it has been and will be applied to innocents (see, for example, BTR's state of domicile). Which disqualifies it from consideration for me. If they could failsafe it, fine. But good luck with that. That doesn't render me a flaming lib (which I wouldn't deny if I were, I could give a fuck whether anybody approves or disapproves of my worldview); it renders me a supporter of the 5th and 8th Amendments to the Constitution. |
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Post by Saggitariutt Jefferspin (ith) on Nov 13, 2009 12:46:23 GMT -6
An interesting argument that I heard against the death penalty is that it actually takes more tax money from all of the appeals that are made by the prisoner to drag out the process.
I don't know how true it is...I didn't see any numbers to back up his facts.
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Post by thunderhawk on Nov 13, 2009 14:28:23 GMT -6
An interesting argument that I heard against the death penalty is that it actually takes more tax money from all of the appeals that are made by the prisoner to drag out the process. I don't know how true it is...I didn't see any numbers to back up his facts. As a general rule, that is accurate. Those lawyers ain't working for free, and from my limited recollection, capital offenders are entitled to quite the appeals process. Let's not mince words here. Some motherfuckers deserve to be executed. The question is whether the state can do it competently and accurately, and whether the state has the moral authority to kill an individual in its authority who has been rendered helpless. I'm blurry on the latter, but I'm pretty sure the state fails on the former from the studies I've seen. Actually, the former informs the later to a certain extent, if you find it immoral to execute even one innocent person. So, in my opinion, recognizing that a lot of these subhuman scum deserve way worse than a drug-induced permanent lullaby, I don't think the state has the necessary safeguards to engage in this...which is probably why we're one of only a handful of nations with such a penalty. The cost, as you have mentioned, also argues against it. Now, having said all of that, if any son of a bitch ever did anything to my wife or kid, I'd make the infamous scene is Reservoir Dogs look like Peter Pan. But I ain't the state. |
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Post by NOTTHOR on Nov 13, 2009 15:01:21 GMT -6
The cost is a red-fucking-herring and you know it, Thunder. A fucking guy who gets sentenced to life is going to file as many god damned appeals than the a guy who is sentenced to death. Plus, he's gonna file lawsuits every three fucking weeks claiming his punishment is cruel and unusual and appeal every one of those every time he loses.
The evidential threshold should be pretty fucking high, but with DNA and the forensic shit they have now, there are plenty of cases where you can say with enough certainty that someone did something to justify the DP in egregious cases.
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Post by MoHawk on Nov 13, 2009 16:11:12 GMT -6
Despite the fine legal minds we have wandering the boards here on the Wasteland, the justice system is inherently fucked because it is run by humans. By nature, we will make mistakes no matter how many precautions are put in place. I would argue that executing a single innocent person is not worth the satisfaction/justice of executing 1,000 guilty persons.
This is the one issue I actually agree with Bill O'Reilly on. Build a huge tent city somewhere in Alaska, fence the whole thing in and put sensors underground around the 1/4 mile of razor wire and let 'em all play with each other. It's technically life in prison...but most of them will end up dying either by someone else's hand or their own when they've had enough of living in the Alaskan wilderness.
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Post by thunderhawk on Nov 13, 2009 21:31:55 GMT -6
The cost is a red-fucking-herring and you know it, Thunder. A fucking guy who gets sentenced to life is going to file as many god damned appeals than the a guy who is sentenced to death. Plus, he's gonna file lawsuits every three fucking weeks claiming his punishment is cruel and unusual and appeal every one of those every time he loses. The evidential threshold should be pretty fucking high, but with DNA and the forensic shit they have now, there are plenty of cases where you can say with enough certainty that someone did something to justify the DP in egregious cases. I would state that in the higher profile cases, there is virtually zero chance for error. You start getting into the off the radar shit, though, and its way murkier. I don't know the exact numbers on the cost of appeals in capital versus life sentences and it's been a decade since I studied that shit (and I don't care enough to revisit it) so I'm not going to argue that point with any real confidence. |
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Post by thejesus on Nov 16, 2009 8:02:31 GMT -6
Definitely a touchy subject when it comes to the death penalty.
I've heard of cases that are so terrible in nature, that I'm the first to think a death penalty would be warranted. However, IMO, you can't succumb to that emotion .... no matter what. Killing is wrong. It was wrong of the criminal, and it's no different for the state. An eye for an eye mentality is what stands in the way of human progression/evolution, and is the cause of alot of the problems in the world.
Unfortunately, the death penalty is here to stay for a while. The government is neck deep in the killing business and have perfected it to an art (death penalty, war, health care). They won't be stopping any time soon.
Do some people deserve to die ..... yes, absolutely. Does ANYONE have the authority to make that decision? No, at least not moral, reasonable people. Whether it is god, karma, or whatever, I believe that universe has a way of balancing itself out and people who commit acts such as these will have theirs coming to them in some form or another.
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