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Post by NOTTHOR on Jan 11, 2010 14:57:20 GMT -6
McGwire finally admitted he was juiced. What a fucking shock.
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Post by NotMyKid on Jan 11, 2010 16:59:20 GMT -6
They should but can't/won't, due to what would happen with all of the other records broken during the steroid era.
I think in 50 years, all records will have some sort of mention of the steroid era, kind of like happens while talking about the dead ball era.
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Post by NOTTHOR on Jan 11, 2010 18:38:38 GMT -6
They should but can't/won't, due to what would happen with all of the other records broken during the steroid era. I think in 50 years, all records will have some sort of mention of the steroid era, kind of like happens while talking about the dead ball era. That's the problem with baseball. The guys running the sport aren't content with keeping the game intact, they think they have to try to stir up some WWF-esque controversy to keep the sport interesting so dipshits like Hawk Harrelson have something to argue about when the Sox are 12 games out and down 13-1 in the sixth inning against Cleveland in mid-August. Baseball is one game where you SHOULD be able to look at an individual's performance over a 15 year career and compare his relative worth against another individual rather easily, but now you can't because these shitbags pissed all over the game. The lower mound, the short-ass fences, the juice, the corked bats that all the Cubs players are using. It's total bullshit. Fucking Maris's season was the greatest ever, but douchebag Cardinal fans and Barry Bonds (who would have been the greatest of the generation without roids) had to fucking piss all over truly great ballplayers like Ruth and Maris. What a fucking joke. |
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Post by thunderhawk on Jan 11, 2010 20:17:11 GMT -6
Baseball jumped the shark when it allowed one league to institute a DH. What the fuck. The pitcher should bat for himself.
As it stands, with so many current stars compromised (I'm looking at you, A-Roid) Pujols, who by all accounts is as clean as a whistle, needs to be the face of MLB.
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Post by Solar Stud on Jan 11, 2010 23:13:44 GMT -6
Yah yah Jeff blow me.....I'll be waiting for 20 years before cheatin Sosa admits to anything....and how many speeders did Marris take to keep his pep up? Pleeaasseeeee enough already.
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Post by NotMyKid on Jan 12, 2010 10:28:39 GMT -6
BTR,
Are you trying to tell me that the NFL hasn't changed any rules that have helped records be broken?
Does a guy like Farve not make the hall of fame if we found out that he took roids? and anybody that doesn't think Roids were being used in every locker room in the 80's, college or pro is crazy.
The only thing that I am pissed at baseball for is they knew it was going on and just looked away instead of stopping it before it grew into what it is now.
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Post by NOTTHOR on Jan 12, 2010 10:51:46 GMT -6
BTR, Are you trying to tell me that the NFL hasn't changed any rules that have helped records be broken? Does a guy like Farve not make the hall of fame if we found out that he took roids? and anybody that doesn't think Roids were being used in every locker room in the 80's, college or pro is crazy. The only thing that I am pissed at baseball for is they knew it was going on and just looked away instead of stopping it before it grew into what it is now. Opposite - NFL has changed so much that a comparison between generations is very difficult. Comparing QBs or WRs from different eras is virtually impossible because of the rule changes and the change from run oriented offenses to pass oriented offenses, domes, plus rule changes, plus the prevalence of freakish blind side pass rushers, etc. |
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Post by MoHawk on Jan 12, 2010 11:29:11 GMT -6
Yah yah Jeff blow me.....I'll be waiting for 20 years before cheatin Sosa admits to anything....and how many speeders did Marris take to keep his pep up? Pleeaasseeeee enough already. For the record: Sammy will never admit to anything because he doesn't believe he did anything wrong. And if you listen to McGwire's interview...he doesn't think the steroids helped his performance at all, which is total bullshit. The only reason he's apologizing is because the media would just hound him until he said SOMETHING and saying nothing wasn't an option anymore as he is re-entering the game of baseball. I guarantee if he wasn't re-entering baseball, yesterday would never have happened. |
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Post by lpcalihawk on Jan 12, 2010 11:46:00 GMT -6
Yah yah Jeff blow me.....I'll be waiting for 20 years before cheatin Sosa admits to anything....and how many speeders did Marris take to keep his pep up? Pleeaasseeeee enough already. For the record: Sammy will never admit to anything because he doesn't believe he did anything wrong. And if you listen to McGwire's interview...he doesn't think the steroids helped his performance at all, which is total bullshit. The only reason he's apologizing is because the media would just hound him until he said SOMETHING and saying nothing wasn't an option anymore as he is re-entering the game of baseball. I guarantee if he wasn't re-entering baseball, yesterday would never have happened. Agreed, MoHawk. The Cardinals organization made him do this as a condition of employment. Big Smack is a cheater just like Clemens, Bonds, A-Rod, Sosa and the whole lot. Steriods are a performance enhancing drug whether used for injury rehabilitation or whatever. Doc Ellis, who threw a no-hitter while on LSD, is who we should be looking up to and idolizing. |
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Post by MoHawk on Jan 12, 2010 16:03:06 GMT -6
+1 to you LP.
I will say this though; yesterday was McGwire's first step towards the Hall of Fame. He may not get in until the veteran's committee let's him in when he's 90, but mark my words...he'll get in as the lone representative of the steroids era. There's no one the media wanted to love more in this whole mess than that guy. Once Sosa was exposed for being an egotistical jerkwad, everyone stopped paying attention to him. Same with Clemens. Bonds won't get in because no one likes him. And the HOF is as much a popularity contest as it is a shrine of baseball.
All of this said...I absolutely pray that Pujols hasn't taken anything more than multivitamins. Everyone is pinning the hope of the post-steroids era on him. If he's dirty...I don't even want to think about it.
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Post by lpcalihawk on Jan 13, 2010 9:07:02 GMT -6
+1 to you LP. I will say this though; yesterday was McGwire's first step towards the Hall of Fame. He may not get in until the veteran's committee let's him in when he's 90, but mark my words...he'll get in as the lone representative of the steroids era. There's no one the media wanted to love more in this whole mess than that guy. Once Sosa was exposed for being an egotistical jerkwad, everyone stopped paying attention to him. Same with Clemens. Bonds won't get in because no one likes him. And the HOF is as much a popularity contest as it is a shrine of baseball. All of this said...I absolutely pray that Pujols hasn't taken anything more than multivitamins. Everyone is pinning the hope of the post-steroids era on him. If he's dirty...I don't even want to think about it. MoHawk....thank you for being a Cub fan who is not spewing the bullshit about McGwire being hired as hitting coach to assist Pujols in chemical training. There are plenty of Cubs fans propagating that line. All Albert can do is pass every drug test that is given to him. If he does that, then in my mind he is clean. |
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Post by NotMyKid on Jan 13, 2010 9:08:34 GMT -6
+1 to you LP. I will say this though; yesterday was McGwire's first step towards the Hall of Fame. He may not get in until the veteran's committee let's him in when he's 90, but mark my words...he'll get in as the lone representative of the steroids era. There's no one the media wanted to love more in this whole mess than that guy. Once Sosa was exposed for being an egotistical jerkwad, everyone stopped paying attention to him. Same with Clemens. Bonds won't get in because no one likes him. And the HOF is as much a popularity contest as it is a shrine of baseball. All of this said...I absolutely pray that Pujols hasn't taken anything more than multivitamins. Everyone is pinning the hope of the post-steroids era on him. If he's dirty...I don't even want to think about it. I don't think Big Mac ever gets in, and he shouldn't, if there is one guy that they should let in that is a known cheater it would be Bonds (I agree that it won't happen becasue the media hates him) His 3 MVP's pre steroids should be worth something, Mac was nothing more then a power hitter and way to many of his numbers can be led back to Roids. The same can't be said with Bonds. I also think A-Rod has a good shot at getting in down the road as well. |
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Post by thejesus on Jan 13, 2010 9:29:22 GMT -6
For the record: Sammy will never admit to anything because he doesn't believe he did anything wrong. And if you listen to McGwire's interview...he doesn't think the steroids helped his performance at all, which is total bullshit. The only reason he's apologizing is because the media would just hound him until he said SOMETHING and saying nothing wasn't an option anymore as he is re-entering the game of baseball. I guarantee if he wasn't re-entering baseball, yesterday would never have happened. Agreed, MoHawk. The Cardinals organization made him do this as a condition of employment. Big Smack is a cheater just like Clemens, Bonds, A-Rod, Sosa and the whole lot. Steriods are a performance enhancing drug whether used for injury rehabilitation or whatever. Doc Ellis, who threw a no-hitter while on LSD, is who we should be looking up to and idolizing. As Ellis recounted it: "I can only remember bits and pieces of the game. I was psyched. I had a feeling of euphoria. I was zeroed in on the (catcher's) glove, but I didn't hit the glove too much. I remember hitting a couple of batters and the bases were loaded two or three times. The ball was small sometimes, the ball was large sometimes, sometimes I saw the catcher, sometimes I didn't. Sometimes I tried to stare the hitter down and throw while I was looking at him. I chewed my gum until it turned to powder. I started having a crazy idea in the fourth inning that Richard Nixon was the home plate umpire, and once I thought I was pitching a baseball to Jimi Hendrix, who to me was holding a guitar and swinging it over the plate. They say I had about three to four fielding chances. I remember diving out of the way of a ball I thought was a line drive. I jumped, but the ball wasn't hit hard and never reached me."[4] |
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Post by lpcalihawk on Jan 13, 2010 10:20:07 GMT -6
Agreed, MoHawk. The Cardinals organization made him do this as a condition of employment. Big Smack is a cheater just like Clemens, Bonds, A-Rod, Sosa and the whole lot. Steriods are a performance enhancing drug whether used for injury rehabilitation or whatever. Doc Ellis, who threw a no-hitter while on LSD, is who we should be looking up to and idolizing. As Ellis recounted it: "I can only remember bits and pieces of the game. I was psyched. I had a feeling of euphoria. I was zeroed in on the (catcher's) glove, but I didn't hit the glove too much. I remember hitting a couple of batters and the bases were loaded two or three times. The ball was small sometimes, the ball was large sometimes, sometimes I saw the catcher, sometimes I didn't. Sometimes I tried to stare the hitter down and throw while I was looking at him. I chewed my gum until it turned to powder. I started having a crazy idea in the fourth inning that Richard Nixon was the home plate umpire, and once I thought I was pitching a baseball to Jimi Hendrix, who to me was holding a guitar and swinging it over the plate. They say I had about three to four fielding chances. I remember diving out of the way of a ball I thought was a line drive. I jumped, but the ball wasn't hit hard and never reached me."[4] Doc should be applauded for that outstanding performance. I think we should give a couple of drops to all MLB players. The game would be hella interesting to watch. |
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Post by MoHawk on Jan 13, 2010 11:50:40 GMT -6
+1 to you LP. I will say this though; yesterday was McGwire's first step towards the Hall of Fame. He may not get in until the veteran's committee let's him in when he's 90, but mark my words...he'll get in as the lone representative of the steroids era. There's no one the media wanted to love more in this whole mess than that guy. Once Sosa was exposed for being an egotistical jerkwad, everyone stopped paying attention to him. Same with Clemens. Bonds won't get in because no one likes him. And the HOF is as much a popularity contest as it is a shrine of baseball. All of this said...I absolutely pray that Pujols hasn't taken anything more than multivitamins. Everyone is pinning the hope of the post-steroids era on him. If he's dirty...I don't even want to think about it. MoHawk....thank you for being a Cub fan who is not spewing the bullshit about McGwire being hired as hitting coach to assist Pujols in chemical training. There are plenty of Cubs fans propagating that line. All Albert can do is pass every drug test that is given to him. If he does that, then in my mind he is clean. Agreed. And all due respect, but those folks doing that shit, in my mind, aren't Cubs fans. They cheer for the Cubs, but they care more about the IDEA of being a Cubs fan than actually being invested in the team. That said, I hope Albert has a debilitating injury and is forced to retire, or the Cubs offer him any and everything he wants to come to the North Side, win a title and enter the HOF in Cubbie Blue. I'm OK with either scenario.  |
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Post by MoHawk on Jan 13, 2010 11:55:55 GMT -6
+1 to you LP. I will say this though; yesterday was McGwire's first step towards the Hall of Fame. He may not get in until the veteran's committee let's him in when he's 90, but mark my words...he'll get in as the lone representative of the steroids era. There's no one the media wanted to love more in this whole mess than that guy. Once Sosa was exposed for being an egotistical jerkwad, everyone stopped paying attention to him. Same with Clemens. Bonds won't get in because no one likes him. And the HOF is as much a popularity contest as it is a shrine of baseball. All of this said...I absolutely pray that Pujols hasn't taken anything more than multivitamins. Everyone is pinning the hope of the post-steroids era on him. If he's dirty...I don't even want to think about it. I don't think Big Mac ever gets in, and he shouldn't, if there is one guy that they should let in that is a known cheater it would be Bonds (I agree that it won't happen becasue the media hates him) His 3 MVP's pre steroids should be worth something, Mac was nothing more then a power hitter and way to many of his numbers can be led back to Roids. The same can't be said with Bonds. I also think A-Rod has a good shot at getting in down the road as well. I agree that A-Rod will get in, but I think McGwire will be the first of the Steroids Era. This is the one time the writers will ignore numbers and give it to the guy they like the most. As for allowing a known cheater in, I don't buy that argument. Go through all of those bronze busts. There's already more cheaters in the HOF than many people care to know. I'm willing to bet that every single pitcher in the HOF pre-anti-doctoring-the-baseball doctored the baseball in some way to get an edge on hitters. I understand the argument, but to me, the cheating thing isn't what SHOULD keep him out. It should be that his numbers just aren't good enough. But the writers will let him in...or the veteran's committee will. Book it. |
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