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Post by thunderhawk on Feb 2, 2010 11:30:55 GMT -6
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Post by NOTTHOR on Feb 2, 2010 11:33:18 GMT -6
Do you really believe those numbers? Really?
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Post by thunderhawk on Feb 2, 2010 11:41:13 GMT -6
Do you really believe those numbers? Really? Sadly, judging by the Republicans I know (many of whom have devolved into fantastical Beckian teabaggery) I do. Yes, they believe that the socialist Muslim Obama (ahem, Geithner, ahem) was not born in the United States. They can't explain to me how the conspiracy was actually carried out, or how the Clinton machine and the RNC missed it, but they are in agreement that, and I quote, "The author of this is a worthless piece of shit needs to be shot." That last part is the part where I ask if they'd like to spend the rest of their days without teeth, because my kid is not going to grow up in that kind of a society. So yes, for the most part, I do believe the numbers, based upon my own appalling and eye-opening personal experience. The powerful black man has a lot of people unhinged. |
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Post by twine on Feb 2, 2010 13:34:50 GMT -6
I'd believe those numbers to be true. I doesn't matter what Obama does, right or wrong, there are a lot of people that will forever hate him only because he's black. We could have a 20% increase in GDP next year strictly due to something Obama did and these whack jobs would still hate him.
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Post by The Bluzmn on Feb 2, 2010 14:53:58 GMT -6
I live in Georgia and yes, I ABSOLUTELY BELIEVE THOSE NUMBERS! I live with those people and have them as our clients and they are a scary, ignorant bunch. You would be absolutely shocked at what I encounter on a daily basis - racism, homophobia, etc., etc. And it is just accepted, even to the point that I have heard racial jokes being told by employees of businesses in public on numerous occasions.
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Post by NOTTHOR on Feb 2, 2010 15:45:48 GMT -6
You would be absolutely shocked at what I encounter on a daily basis - racism, homophobia, etc., etc. No I wouldn't - that's why I don't live in the South. The reason I'm calling BS on the numbers is that I doubt that a survey of 2,000 people is enough to infer anything meaningful about a group of over 50 million people. Second, it would be pretty darn easy for me to craft a survey and select the takers in a manner that would come up with those numbers. Sure, the survey's nationwide, but that does not mean that is even remotely representative. The survey is run by "Daily Kos and Research 2000" - they knew what they wanted to "prove" before they asked their first question. When you're getting a 31% hit rate on whether contraception should be outlawed, my guess is that you're going out to bumblefuck Kansas and shit to ask the questions. I agree, that is a big problem with the Republican Party, as when I got campaign advertisements in the mail for today's primary, all of them seemed to be focused on three issues, (i) taxes, (ii) gun rights and (iii) abortion. There was a good article in Harper's about a year and a half ago about the factions in the Republican Party and it concluded by saying the party is doomed, which I would agree with but for the fact that the Democratic Party will find a way to piss governance down its leg, too. The ultimate problem is that you have a lot of groups that you are trying to appease with two parties. Republicans: Gun nuts Anti-abortion activists Dudes like me who favor smaller government and lower taxes and who don't give a shit what our neighbors do as long as it doesn't affect us Military hawks Gay haters Rich guys who want to maintain the status quo Democrats: Tree huggers Tax and spend redistributive "liberals" who promise all kinds of services/old people who want bigger social security checks and better medicare coverage Ignorant college kids who don't understand how policies they vote for will cost jobs Union goons People who think the only way to get ahead is a set aside Rich guys who want to maintain the status quo The groups brought under the same roofs in our shitty two party system make for some strange bedfellows, but it is easier for Dems to come to close to appeasing all of their constituents than it is for Republicans. |
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Post by twine on Feb 2, 2010 15:59:56 GMT -6
It seems to me the most well rounded and thoughtful people tend to be in the middle of these two factions.
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Post by thunderhawk on Feb 3, 2010 9:41:12 GMT -6
It seems to me the most well rounded and thoughtful people tend to be in the middle of these two factions. Yes, but we are not the ones making all the noise and chumming it up for the TV cameras. A bigger problem is that the extremism turns off the moderates, and so they don't show up to vote. But those cocksucking extremists do. And so they influence policy to the detriment of the rest of us. Really, with a hat tip to George Washington, the party system, and the two party system in particular, is a huge problem, because as BTR mentioned, the two parties are ripe for corruption and influence by their more nefarious constituencies due to the overarching goal of self-perpetuation and self-preservation. Translated...neither really give a shit about the long term viability and prosperity of America. They care about the next election and continuing to receive their Cadillac health insurance, sweet benefits, and cocktail sipping with the Davids (Broder and Brooks) whilst musing about the tribulations of the common man. |
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Post by Saggitariutt Jefferspin (ith) on Feb 3, 2010 11:46:34 GMT -6
It seems to me the most well rounded and thoughtful people tend to be in the middle of these two factions. Yes, but we are not the ones making all the noise and chumming it up for the TV cameras. A bigger problem is that the extremism turns off the moderates, and so they don't show up to vote. But those cocksucking extremists do. And so they influence policy to the detriment of the rest of us. Really, with a hat tip to George Washington, the party system, and the two party system in particular, is a huge problem, because as BTR mentioned, the two parties are ripe for corruption and influence by their more nefarious constituencies due to the overarching goal of self-perpetuation and self-preservation. Translated...neither really give a shit about the long term viability and prosperity of America. They care about the next election and continuing to receive their Cadillac health insurance, sweet benefits, and cocktail sipping with the Davids (Broder and Brooks) whilst musing about the tribulations of the common man. Well stated. I don't know if I could be more jaded when it comes to politics - specifically the two party system. |
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Post by lpcalihawk on Feb 3, 2010 16:04:02 GMT -6
I think our only way out of this to have extremists from both ends on the same ticket.
Paul/Kucinich 2012
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Post by HawksStock on Feb 17, 2010 1:49:27 GMT -6
I think our only way out of this to have extremists from both ends on the same ticket. Paul/Kucinich 2012 Yeah, ron paul is an extremist, god forbid someone who believes in the constitution. |
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Post by lpcalihawk on Feb 17, 2010 9:15:18 GMT -6
I think our only way out of this to have extremists from both ends on the same ticket. Paul/Kucinich 2012 Yeah, ron paul is an extremist, god forbid someone who believes in the constitution. Given our current political system, anyone with Libertarian tendencies will be classified as a political extremist. |
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Post by thunderhawk on Feb 17, 2010 10:10:27 GMT -6
I think our only way out of this to have extremists from both ends on the same ticket. Paul/Kucinich 2012 Yeah, ron paul is an extremist, god forbid someone who believes in the constitution. The "constitution" in addition to the original document and subsequent amendments is also composed of thousands upon thousands of pages of case law interpreting it. Which is why many of these self-proclaimed defenders of the "constitution" are laughable. They always ignore the case law. Constitutional Law is one of the most complicated, complex, intricate courses in the law school curriculum. Which is why whenever Glenn Beck or some likewise fuck starts droning on about constitutional principles, I want to punch his teeth down his dissembling demagogic throat. |
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Post by The Bluzmn on Feb 17, 2010 12:37:51 GMT -6
Agreed. I had two semesters of Con Law in law school and I think I know less and am confused more than before. It is an extremely complex area of the law.
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Post by NOTTHOR on Feb 17, 2010 14:31:10 GMT -6
Agreed. I had two semesters of Con Law in law school and I think I know less and am confused more than before. It is an extremely complex area of the law. You probably had three, including a course on criminal procedure, which is my favorite area of conlaw. Conlaw ain't hard, it's merely some dudes jizzing all over themselves for 100 pages in an opinion to come up with support for why some law is either constitutional or unconstitutional in accordance with their worldview and then crafting some argument in support of it. See, e.g., various levels of scrutiny depending on race or vaginal status, etc. or the 'penumbral" rights that somehow make abortion legal. |
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Post by thunderhawk on Feb 18, 2010 13:21:15 GMT -6
Agreed. I had two semesters of Con Law in law school and I think I know less and am confused more than before. It is an extremely complex area of the law. You probably had three, including a course on criminal procedure, which is my favorite area of conlaw. Conlaw ain't hard, it's merely some dudes jizzing all over themselves for 100 pages in an opinion to come up with support for why some law is either constitutional or unconstitutional in accordance with their worldview and then crafting some argument in support of it. See, e.g., various levels of scrutiny depending on race or vaginal status, etc. or the 'penumbral" rights that somehow make abortion legal. You just unwittingly described why it's so complex and convoluted. Crim Pro was my favorite too. I often found myself in agreement with Justice White's opinions to the degree that if I read anything that looked like I could have written it, it was unfailingly authored by White when I got to the end of it. |
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Post by Gumbyhawk on Feb 19, 2010 19:58:35 GMT -6
I live in Georgia and yes, I ABSOLUTELY BELIEVE THOSE NUMBERS! I live with those people and have them as our clients and they are a scary, ignorant bunch. You would be absolutely shocked at what I encounter on a daily basis - racism, homophobia, etc., etc. And it is just accepted, even to the point that I have heard racial jokes being told by employees of businesses in public on numerous occasions. There are a lot of these whack jobs in Marshalltown too. Sometimes it's funny to read their comments to the local paper and then sometimes it is scary as Hell knowing that they truly believe that shit. |
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