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Post by Justhawks17 on Apr 8, 2008 19:02:03 GMT -6
That the Yankees SUCK!!!!!!!!!!!  |
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Post by leonbt on Apr 8, 2008 19:09:44 GMT -6
No, I cannot agree with that. As a cub fan I dream of the day my team does everything in its power to win the ws each and every year. Are you saying that you don't want your team (which ever that may be) to try and win the world series every year? Now, I don't wear the gear but why hate on them for playing within the rules the union has set up?
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Post by NOTTHOR on Apr 8, 2008 19:20:55 GMT -6
What leon, you're a cub fan again? When the hell did that happen?
And for as much as I hate unions, I can't knock the baseball union. Hell, that's one of the few unions that grows and has protected jobs. That is the only union I deem worthy of the BTR seal of approval. They get you guaranteed cash. You sign a deal and decide you want to take up beer drinking as an hourly hobby and the CBA requires that the team pay you for the duration of the contract. Look at how they protected the players who juiced. That is how a union should work.
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Post by Justhawks17 on Apr 8, 2008 20:01:31 GMT -6
Yankee Mods on their scout site are DOUCHENOZZLES.
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Post by leonbt on Apr 8, 2008 20:04:00 GMT -6
BTR:
You know I tried to kick my cub addiction. But, like most addictions I kept coming back. True, as a Chi-Town sports fan I also like and root for the sox . This does not of course mean that I also cannot hate the cubs because I do-much like a battered gal likes then hates her man-that's me and the cubs (yes I realize I am setting myself up for insults, ridicule, etc. . . )
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Post by Gumbyhawk on Apr 9, 2008 6:58:01 GMT -6
I will agree that BASEBALL sucks. The Yankmees are a baseball team, so your statement IS correct.  |
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Post by ignatiusreilly on Apr 9, 2008 7:35:37 GMT -6
No, I cannot agree with that. As a cub fan I dream of the day my team does everything in its power to win the ws each and every year. Are you saying that you don't want your team (which ever that may be) to try and win the world series every year? Now, I don't wear the gear but why hate on them for playing within the rules the union has set up? The Cubs spend plenty trying to field a WS team. They just don't spend wisely. Plus they know Cubs fans will keep coming no matter what they put on the field. And the Yankees doing everything in their power hasn't really worked out either. They are closing in on a decade since their last World Series title, and in that decade they've spent more than most teams spend in 3 decades. |
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Post by leonbt on Apr 9, 2008 9:37:21 GMT -6
Iggy:
Oh no-not a whole decade! That really makes that 100 yr slump seem like peanuts.
Everything in a team's power does NOT just deal with money spent on players. It also entails things such as player development (feel free to name the last superstar or hell even relatively productive position player the cubs system has produced). If you look at it objectively any fan would trade their teams history of success for the Yankees. They have done it with money spent as well as producing great young talent. Also, who has been the most dominant team of late-BoSox. They followed the Yankee mold, albeit with the new number crunchers like Bill James, spend money and bring along young talent.
Further, do the Yankee fans stop showing up?
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Post by ignatiusreilly on Apr 9, 2008 10:24:05 GMT -6
Well a decade is a long time when you spend a bajillion dollars on your team. Even I can spend a bajillion and put together a good enough team to win more than once a decade. I like to think so anyway. The Yankees sucked Royally (if you look that up it means sucking as bad as the Royals) in the 80's-early 90's. The best thing they had going was Don Mattingly and Danny Tartabull. I know they didn't pack the stands every day then. And their fan base was not as widespread as it is today. Lot's of bandwagon jumpers that like to root for a winner. The Yankees haven't done a good job with developing talent s-ince... well basically s-ince the last time they won the series. Ever s-ince they've been buying most of their talent, a lot of it over the hill and overpaid. They still haven't figured out that that doesn't work like it should.
Well at least Cubs fans can revel in the fact they got that Fuck-U-Dome guy. He seems to be a solid pickup.
I root for a small market team, and generally like to see small market teams beat the big spenders. I always get behind teams like the A's, Marlins, Diamonbacks, Rockies, etc when they make the Playoffs. They usually do well too because the team chemistry is there, which is rare with the big spenders like Mets, Yanks, Cubs, Dodgers, etc. Although occasionally it is there, like the Red Sox, a good example of big spending done right.
As lopsided as baseball is compared with other sports with salary caps, the small market teams can still compete and win World Series'.
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Post by NOTTHOR on Apr 9, 2008 10:29:30 GMT -6
The Yankees have an ungodly amount of cash to spend. Their stadium is freaking huge and they have a sweet deal with YES, which Steinbrenner's group owns.
The Yankees are absolute marketing geniuses and they are smart to put money back into the organization. Yankees fans will also stop going to games if the Yankees suck, which in turn pushes the Yanks to field good teams.
Comparing the Cubs to the Yanks is like comparing an AMC Gremlin to a Cadillac. Sure they are both cars and have four wheels but the similarities end there. The Cubs are a bunch of d-nozzle losers and the Yanks, despite their October woes of late, are the most popular baseball team in the world with a huge international following due to their storied history and very strong front office.
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Post by NOTTHOR on Apr 9, 2008 10:35:09 GMT -6
Well at least Cubs fans can revel in the fact they got that Fuck-U-Dome guy. He seems to be a solid pickup. Dude, Fukudome is sloppy seconds. The big money on Japanese players was already made when Ichiro and Matsui came over. They are decent US players who helped their franchises sell a ton of merchandise and TV rights in Japan. Fukudome might have a few decent seasons, but he shows precisely why the Yanks know how to handle the global marketing side of their business. The Cubs are a long way away from understanding that aspect. They don't have to worry about marketing, as the frat boys on the north side and idiots from Muncie will go to Cubs games no matter what. And if the Cubs win the WS, dumbass media assclowns like Boers and Bernstein won't have any curse to talk about and the sportstalk radio universe will absolutely melt down. |
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Post by ignatiusreilly on Apr 9, 2008 10:57:45 GMT -6
Ralph, let me guess... you became a Yankees fan in 1996.
Fuckudome sloppy seconds?! So there are only 2 good Japanese hitters, Ichiro and Matsui? I think other teams would be wise to bring over more of these guys. Fuckudome may not have Matsui power (even though he has shown a little power), but so far he looks like the better hitter. We shall see.
I'm no Cubs fan, I hate the Cubs. All growing up most of my friends were Cubs fans. I used to give them such a hard time because my lowest payroll in the big leagues team, the Expos, finished with a better record than the high payroll Cubs almost every single year. Even though I hate the Cubs, I'm not nearly as biased when I talk about them as you are.
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Post by NOTTHOR on Apr 9, 2008 11:27:21 GMT -6
Fuckudome sloppy seconds?! So there are only 2 good Japanese hitters, Ichiro and Matsui? I think other teams would be wise to bring over more of these guys. Fuckudome may not have Matsui power (even though he has shown a little power), but so far he looks like the better hitter. We shall see. Matsui and Ichiro are the two biggest names in baseball o'er there. Matsuzaka got a lot of love after that WBC thing, too, I heard. The big name guys can generate several times their salary in merchandising and TV deals in Japan. The Cubs missed on those guys, hence Fukudome is sloppy seconds. Ma's heading over there in a few weeks, maybe I'm wrong, I'll ask her to keep a tally of Cubs games on TV and Cubs gear that she sees, but my guess is that it will be substantially less than Yanks or Mariners games and gear. Irregardless, the Yanks are necessary for the MLB - they are the big team that has fans in every city and haters in every city. They'll sell out a lot of games even in shitty markets like KC. Yeah, the Cubs and their loser attitude brings out a bunch of losers to their games in shitty places like Florida and Arizona, but the Yanks are the backbone of the MLB. |
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Post by ignatiusreilly on Apr 9, 2008 11:34:19 GMT -6
I was talking about how well he plays baseball... I could give a sh*t what teams' merchandise the Japanese are buying. I'm sure the fans and his teammates feel the same way.
The Yanks are the most storied team in baseball history, of course. But lately they look like a bunch of overpaid pretty boys that can't get the job done on the field. They have made some major blunders in the last few years as far as paying out the nose for guys and then seeing them flounder on the field. Steinbrenner sets out to buy his way into the World Series every year... it probably eats at him that his 200 mill can't get him out of the Divisionals.
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Post by NOTTHOR on Apr 9, 2008 11:50:42 GMT -6
Sure Steinbrenner wants to win very badly, but there is only one champion and he probably sleeps just fine on a bed of cash paid for by his front office's shrewd marketing efforts that generate enough cash for him to give A-Rod and the like as much money as they want while still ensuring there is plenty of profit generated by the team.
Don't worry, once everybody scouts Fukudome, he'll have decent numbers, but much like the rest of the Cubs with decent numbers, they'll come at times when the team is either up 9-2 in the 8th or down 9-2 in the 8th and will have little impact on the team's record.
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Post by ignatiusreilly on Apr 9, 2008 12:47:52 GMT -6
Yeah they will start doing their homework on Fukyoudome, and we will see how he responds. Has looked like the real deal through 8 games though.
Ralph, congrats on being the first person I've known who is a fan of a MLB team's marketing team. Reminds me of that Peyton Manning commercial. I could see you standing outside Yankee Headquarters waiting for them to get off work and screaming, "Hey Bill Jones, I love what you did with the Nike sponsorship... will you sign my pocket protector?"
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Post by NOTTHOR on Apr 9, 2008 16:05:50 GMT -6
When I observe a well run business I take note. The Yankees are a very well business.
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