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Post by Justhawks17 on May 9, 2008 18:44:45 GMT -6
JA? Im gonna find your crew and take me a few of them beers. Just sayin.' I usually never go to the street dance or the Parade. Just never go, idk why. I did when I was younger. Watch the fire works though, they are ok, not the greatest. Justin, you're more than welcome to stop by, but you'll have to try your hardest to act all cool and such.....too many Po-po hang out by us to be handing out suds to underage chitlin's....we had to work real hard to keep one of the Boehm boys out of jail last year. I will have to stop by then, BTW which Boehm LOL? I know both of them, graduated with the younger one. As for trying to act cool, shit, I am a Fukking dork LOL.
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Post by The Flying Spaghetti Monster on May 10, 2008 10:12:40 GMT -6
It was the younger.
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Post by Norm "racerhawk" Parker on May 13, 2008 9:53:42 GMT -6
Sorry TH. I love going to a bar with clean air. I hate big government. My hatred for big government exceeds my desire to infringe on others' rights to go to a smoke filled bar if they so choose. The exposure to the externalities caused by the smokers are only borne by those who choose to be exposed. It's not like a car that uses leaded gas - that imposes an externality on everyone. Smokers in bars only imopse an externality on those who choose to go to the bar. Like I said, I love the smoke free bar, but I hate the big government restriction on freedom of consenting adults that gets us there. Leftists are like children, they always feel like they need somebody to tell them what to do and want to exercise their bossiness on others at every opportunity. I used to be all for the Pubs' "anti-big gub'ment" movement...until they started trying to regulate what goes on in peoples' bedrooms, regulating what language things must be printed in, regulating that my kids need to take a bible class...errr, Character Counts class, in school; worrying about where I surf on the internet; worrying about who I talk to on my cell phone... and so forth. Any more, I just judge new legislation on whether it improves my standard of living. If it does, it is good. If it does not, it is bad. The public places non-smoking law is good for me, therefore I like it. You are not alone. In NYC, business actually improved after the smoking ban. Here's a short excerpt: In 2003 New York City amended its anti-smoking law to include all restaurants and bars, including those in private clubs, making it one of the toughest in the United States. The city's Department of Health found in a 2004 study that air pollution levels had decreased sixfold in bars and restaurants after the ban went into effect, and that New Yorkers had reported less second-hand smoke in the workplace. The study also found the city's restaurants and bars prospered despite the smoking ban, with increases in jobs, liquor licenses and business tax payments.[65] A 2006 study by the state of New York found similar results.[66] According to the 2004 Zagat Survey, which polled nearly 30,000 New York City restaurant patrons, respondents said by a margin of almost 6 to 1 that they eat out more often now because of the city's smoke-free policy.[67 Also, one must consider the workers in these establishments, who are subjected to smoke for 8 hours a day, which is extremely unhealthy. Do the workers have a right to work in a non-carcinogenic place? If your argument is "they can choose not to work there" then only employees who would knowingly inhale a carcinogen would work in such an establishment, which is of course stupid. Multiple studies have noted that nicotine may be one of, if not the most addictive substance. There is ample proof that simply stopping smoking is one of the biggest things that one can do to improve their quality of life. I, for one, pay for health insurance. Part of that health insurance is paying into a larger "risk pool." I don't want freakin' smokers peeing in my risk pool, because I have to pay more money to insure these idiots who continue to smoke. Do you still think it's all about freedom of choice? There's more to it than that. Lastly, I'd agree with the previous poster who said that "any law that increases my standard of living is okay with me." I'd have to somewhat agree with that. I eat out more often now, and can take my whole family into restaurant/bar situations, because it's not as unhealthy. Plus, when it's really cold, it's fun to look at the 20-somethings with a college education freezing their numb nuts off outside while inhaling carcinogens. Brilliant!
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Post by bucketochicken on May 13, 2008 10:00:46 GMT -6
Quitting smoking was one of the best things I ever did (I smoked for 15 years), and I support any smoking ban put into effect.
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