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Post by NOTTHOR on May 8, 2008 8:07:41 GMT -6
1) Does the U still have that party every year at Lion's Park over the 4th of July? If so, is it still well attended? My mom's been complaining that I have not been to Neck Moines other than over Christmas in several years, so if I go, I want to make sure something's going on.
2) When's the indoor smoking ban start? I can't go to a smoke filled bar again.
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Post by thunderhawk on May 8, 2008 11:05:20 GMT -6
While not the jackass in question, I can answer #2: July 1st, 2008. It cannot come soon enough.
As a general rule, all bills passed into law take effect on the subsequent July 1st of the current calendar year unless otherwise ordained.
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Post by Dr. Doofenshmirtz (Heywood) on May 8, 2008 11:36:42 GMT -6
It starts July 1st as long as it holds up in court.
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Post by Gumbyhawk on May 8, 2008 11:59:26 GMT -6
Shouldn't an all-knowing attorney know when laws take effect??  |
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Post by NOTTHOR on May 8, 2008 12:02:02 GMT -6
Shouldn't an all-knowing attorney know when laws take effect?? Yes, every law in every state. |
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Post by Gumbyhawk on May 8, 2008 12:12:01 GMT -6
Wow! You agreed with me!
May 08, 2008. I've maked down the date for this momentous occasion.
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Post by The Flying Spaghetti Monster on May 8, 2008 12:12:08 GMT -6
July 4 is still the B-I-G summer celebration in the U.
With it being on a Friday, it should be a pretty good time this year.
Let me know if you make it over, you can stop by the street dance on the evening of July 3.
Nothing says Neck Moines like sit'n on the front lawn of the high school with your crew drinking two coolers full of beer on a warm summer's night. We ususally set up camp right behind the crossing lights on Aurora.
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Post by NOTTHOR on May 8, 2008 12:19:33 GMT -6
July 4 is still the B-I-G summer celebration in the U. With it being on a Friday, it should be a pretty good time this year. Let me know if you make it over, you can stop by the street dance on the evening of July 3. Nothing says Neck Moines like sit'n on the front lawn of the high school with your crew drinking two coolers full of beer on a warm summer's night. We ususally set up camp right behind the crossing lights on Aurora. Str8 cash homey. Smoking ban, party in the U, I'll prolly be there. Problem is my mom and stepdad are coming to Chi for the Neckar race the following weekend. Every time I've been to the party at the park, I run into a million people from back in the day, so I'll prolly roll over. Plus my mom's new crib ain't far from the Park, so I can go stumbling home after getting tanked there. I'll keep you posted and might show you how the U drank beer in the 90's, which was way harder than in the 80's or the 00's (justhawks is such a wuss). |
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Post by Saggitariutt Jefferspin (ith) on May 8, 2008 13:01:42 GMT -6
While not the jackass in question, I can answer #2: July 1st, 2008. It cannot come soon enough. As a general rule, all bills passed into law take effect on the subsequent July 1st of the current calendar year unless otherwise ordained. Ugh, the government sticking its nose in where it doesn't belong. Let the fucking bar owners decide...they own the building. Maybe we should ban fast food while we're at it, since it's bad for you. |
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Post by idrinkthereforeiam on May 8, 2008 18:38:27 GMT -6
While not the jackass in question, I can answer #2: July 1st, 2008. It cannot come soon enough. As a general rule, all bills passed into law take effect on the subsequent July 1st of the current calendar year unless otherwise ordained. Ugh, the government sticking its nose in where it doesn't belong. Let the fucking bar owners decide...they own the building. Maybe we should ban fast food while we're at it, bince it's bad for you. So what happens when someone wants to go get a drink and not take in second hand smoke? He/she doesn't have a choice. On the other hand, a smoker can step outside and smoke and its a win/win situation. |
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Post by Saggitariutt Jefferspin (ith) on May 8, 2008 18:47:10 GMT -6
They do have a choice. Don't go to a smoking establishment. I don't know about up north, but we do have non-smoking bars in DSM, although admittedly, not too many of them. Besides, most people that go to bars are going to harm their liver enough where they shouldn't be too concerned about 2nd hand smoke.
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Post by Justhawks17 on May 8, 2008 19:01:55 GMT -6
JA?
Im gonna find your crew and take me a few of them beers. Just sayin.'
I usually never go to the street dance or the Parade. Just never go, idk why. I did when I was younger. Watch the fire works though, they are ok, not the greatest.
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Post by thunderhawk on May 8, 2008 21:44:52 GMT -6
While not the jackass in question, I can answer #2: July 1st, 2008. It cannot come soon enough. As a general rule, all bills passed into law take effect on the subsequent July 1st of the current calendar year unless otherwise ordained. Ugh, the government sticking its nose in where it doesn't belong. Let the fucking bar owners decide...they own the building. Maybe we should ban fast food while we're at it, bince it's bad for you. Generally I would concur. But in this case, no. Smoking is a disgusting, hazardous addiction that affects innocent parties. The fast food comparison is not apt. You don't inhale second-hand trans fat from some schmuck's Big Mac. Plus, I'm sick of my clothes and hair stinking if I walk into a bar. Sorry smokers. You lose. And deservedly so. Oh, one other thing...the next asshole who flicks a lit cigarette butt out the window and hits my ride is getting run off the road. |
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Post by NOTTHOR on May 8, 2008 22:05:49 GMT -6
Sorry TH. I love going to a bar with clean air. I hate big government. My hatred for big government exceeds my desire to infringe on others' rights to go to a smoke filled bar if they so choose. The exposure to the externalities caused by the smokers are only borne by those who choose to be exposed. It's not like a car that uses leaded gas - that imposes an externality on everyone. Smokers in bars only imopse an externality on those who choose to go to the bar.
Like I said, I love the smoke free bar, but I hate the big government restriction on freedom of consenting adults that gets us there. Leftists are like children, they always feel like they need somebody to tell them what to do and want to exercise their bossiness on others at every opportunity.
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Post by TBELL on May 9, 2008 2:26:25 GMT -6
Hey JA, I'm off on the 3rd and 4th this year. Sounds like the "U" does it right. Skankeny has "Summerfest" which is their version of the 4th of July, but it usually isn't until the middle of July. I may have to come experience the way the real homies do it over at the "U". Let me know, I'm sure I could chip in a case or better on the booze front.
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Post by The Flying Spaghetti Monster on May 9, 2008 8:10:55 GMT -6
JA? Im gonna find your crew and take me a few of them beers. Just sayin.' I usually never go to the street dance or the Parade. Just never go, idk why. I did when I was younger. Watch the fire works though, they are ok, not the greatest. Justin, you're more than welcome to stop by, but you'll have to try your hardest to act all cool and such.....too many Po-po hang out by us to be handing out suds to underage chitlin's....we had to work real hard to keep one of the Boehm boys out of jail last year. |
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Post by The Flying Spaghetti Monster on May 9, 2008 8:16:22 GMT -6
Hey JA, I'm off on the 3rd and 4th this year. Sounds like the "U" does it right. Skankeny has "Summerfest" which is their version of the 4th of July, but it usually isn't until the middle of July. I may have to come experience the way the real homies do it over at the "U". Let me know, I'm sure I could chip in a case or better on the booze front. Come on down from the skAnkeny and see how it's done in Ur-bawn-de-lay. Note that its nothing too exciting, more relaxing than anything.....just sitting in front of the high school drinking beer, listening to some band/dj with a LOUD sound system, and watching all the kids and old folks try and dance. Typical suburban fun....Kids have a blast, but you need to bring a lot of coin (like a stimulus check?) to keewp all the Carnies employed around Lions Park....which the Tilt-a-Whirl is always a good place to hang out to see some underage hottie start hurling her ill-gotten beverages. |
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Post by Saggitariutt Jefferspin (ith) on May 9, 2008 8:23:40 GMT -6
Ugh, the government sticking its nose in where it doesn't belong. Let the fucking bar owners decide...they own the building. Maybe we should ban fast food while we're at it, bince it's bad for you. Generally I would concur. But in this case, no. Smoking is a disgusting, hazardous addiction that affects innocent parties. The fast food comparison is not apt. You don't inhale second-hand trans fat from some schmuck's Big Mac. Plus, I'm sick of my clothes and hair stinking if I walk into a bar. Sorry smokers. You lose. And deservedly so. Oh, one other thing...the next asshole who flicks a lit cigarette butt out the window and hits my ride is getting run off the road. But you walked into the bar knowing that there would be smokers. Going to a smoking bar and expecting not to deal with smokers is like going to a strip club and expecting not to see titties (assuming you were gay and didn't want to see them). I would concur that smoking is somewhat of a nasty habit, but again, let the bar owners make the decision. If they decide they want to allow smoking, I don't consider people that come there "innocent". |
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Post by The Flying Spaghetti Monster on May 9, 2008 8:25:52 GMT -6
Sorry TH. I love going to a bar with clean air. I hate big government. My hatred for big government exceeds my desire to infringe on others' rights to go to a smoke filled bar if they so choose. The exposure to the externalities caused by the smokers are only borne by those who choose to be exposed. It's not like a car that uses leaded gas - that imposes an externality on everyone. Smokers in bars only imopse an externality on those who choose to go to the bar. Like I said, I love the smoke free bar, but I hate the big government restriction on freedom of consenting adults that gets us there. Leftists are like children, they always feel like they need somebody to tell them what to do and want to exercise their bossiness on others at every opportunity. I used to be all for the Pubs' "anti-big gub'ment" movement...until they started trying to regulate what goes on in peoples' bedrooms, regulating what language things must be printed in, regulating that my kids need to take a bible class...errr, Character Counts class, in school; worrying about where I surf on the internet; worrying about who I talk to on my cell phone... and so forth. Any more, I just judge new legislation on whether it improves my standard of living. If it does, it is good. If it does not, it is bad. The public places non-smoking law is good for me, therefore I like it. |
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Post by The Flying Spaghetti Monster on May 9, 2008 8:30:01 GMT -6
If you are open to the "public", then you have to subject yourself to the public's rules.
75% of the public want to be able to go out without being subjected to someone else's second-hand smoke.
Business owners have a choice as well. They can chose to abide by the public's wishes, or to close to the public and form private clubs.
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Post by thunderhawk on May 9, 2008 9:55:16 GMT -6
Generally I would concur. But in this case, no. Smoking is a disgusting, hazardous addiction that affects innocent parties. The fast food comparison is not apt. You don't inhale second-hand trans fat from some schmuck's Big Mac. Plus, I'm sick of my clothes and hair stinking if I walk into a bar. Sorry smokers. You lose. And deservedly so. Oh, one other thing...the next asshole who flicks a lit cigarette butt out the window and hits my ride is getting run off the road. But you walked into the bar knowing that there would be smokers. Going to a smoking bar and expecting not to deal with smokers is like going to a strip club and expecting not to see titties (assuming you were gay and didn't want to see them). I would concur that smoking is somewhat of a nasty habit, but again, let the bar owners make the decision. If they decide they want to allow smoking, I don't consider people that come there "innocent". If smoking is banned at all bars, the playing field is level. There was great wailing gnashing of teeth in Summit County, CO when a ban was passed a few years ago. Now they all, including bar owners, think it was a great idea. People that wouldn't step foot in the hazy shitholes now will, and the regulars didn't go anywhere. It's a winner for everyone who isn't totally addicted to nicotine. My favorite restaurant recently banned smoking in the bar area. That section of the place is now busier than ever. The argument is moot anyway. Most places allowed smoking before the health risks were fully understood, especially the risks of second-hand smoke. Today, there is no justification for allowing smoking in confined spaces where the public is welcomed. Planes, trains, libraries, they've all banned it. This was only a matter of time. Bars exist to hook up and drink alcohol. If you want to go somewhere to smoke, go to a tobacco shop. |
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Post by Saggitariutt Jefferspin (ith) on May 9, 2008 10:04:27 GMT -6
But you walked into the bar knowing that there would be smokers. Going to a smoking bar and expecting not to deal with smokers is like going to a strip club and expecting not to see titties (assuming you were gay and didn't want to see them). I would concur that smoking is somewhat of a nasty habit, but again, let the bar owners make the decision. If they decide they want to allow smoking, I don't consider people that come there "innocent". If smoking is banned at all bars, the playing field is level. There was great wailing gnashing of teeth in Summit County, CO when a ban was passed a few years ago. Now they all, including bar owners, think it was a great idea. People that wouldn't step foot in the hazy shitholes now will, and the regulars didn't go anywhere. It's a winner for everyone who isn't totally addicted to nicotine. My favorite restaurant recently banned smoking in the bar area. That section of the place is now busier than ever. The argument is moot anyway. Most places allowed smoking before the health risks were fully understood, especially the risks of second-hand smoke. Today, there is no justification for allowing smoking in confined spaces where the public is welcomed. Planes, trains, libraries, they've all banned it. This was only a matter of time. Bars exist to hook up and drink alcohol. If you want to go somewhere to smoke, go to a tobacco shop. Well, I hope you're right...because whether I like it or not, it's happening. I just think it's a slippery slope when the government steps in to say what is good or bad for us...or instills its morals upon people (like W depending on 'God' to make decisions). |
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Post by thunderhawk on May 9, 2008 10:19:14 GMT -6
If smoking is banned at all bars, the playing field is level. There was great wailing gnashing of teeth in Summit County, CO when a ban was passed a few years ago. Now they all, including bar owners, think it was a great idea. People that wouldn't step foot in the hazy shitholes now will, and the regulars didn't go anywhere. It's a winner for everyone who isn't totally addicted to nicotine. My favorite restaurant recently banned smoking in the bar area. That section of the place is now busier than ever. The argument is moot anyway. Most places allowed smoking before the health risks were fully understood, especially the risks of second-hand smoke. Today, there is no justification for allowing smoking in confined spaces where the public is welcomed. Planes, trains, libraries, they've all banned it. This was only a matter of time. Bars exist to hook up and drink alcohol. If you want to go somewhere to smoke, go to a tobacco shop. Well, I hope you're right...because whether I like it or not, it's happening. I just think it's a slippery slope when the government steps in to say what is good or bad for us...or instills its morals upon people (like W depending on 'God' to make decisions). If they start to restrict beer at bars we'll be of the same mind. Just about anything can devolve into a slippery slope in the absence of reason and restraint (the presence of reason being expressed in laws passed following rational debate)...which is why I loathe fear-mongers and demagogues. You generally don't roll down slippery slopes in the presence of rational, reasonable thought and political restraint. The fact that there was a thorough debate on this issue should serve to prevent its extension into other areas. This law is exclusively about smoking and public health and should not be used as a demagogic tool for nefarious means. Although sadly it probably will be. |
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Post by Saggitariutt Jefferspin (ith) on May 9, 2008 12:20:52 GMT -6
The words rational and politics shouldn't usually be used in the same sentence. But I smell what you're cookin', Thunderhawk.
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Post by thunderhawk on May 9, 2008 13:29:00 GMT -6
The words rational and politics shouldn't usually be used in the same sentence. But I smell what you're cookin', Thunderhawk. I too was loathe to join the two. I've noticed a trend that the more local the politics, the more rational the laws tend to be. You get to the federal level and Katie bar the door.  |
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