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Post by ignatiusreilly on May 14, 2008 10:26:10 GMT -6
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Post by bucketochicken on May 14, 2008 10:31:20 GMT -6
And on the same day that this story is released: www.rawstory.com/news/mochila/Britain_releases_batch_of_files_on__05132008.htmlThe men were air traffic controllers. Experienced, calm professionals. Nobody was drinking. But they were so worried about losing their jobs that they demanded their names be kept off the official report.
No one, they knew, would believe their claim an unidentified flying object landed at the airport they were overseeing in the east of England, touched down briefly, then took off again at tremendous speed. Yet that's what they reported happened at 4 p.m. on April 19, 1984. |
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Post by Gumbyhawk on May 14, 2008 11:33:51 GMT -6
Threads such as these will not be tolerated and you are all going to Hell!!
Signed,
JM
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Post by The Bluzmn on May 14, 2008 11:47:45 GMT -6
How many centuries have to pass before religion dies of natural causes? I'm just sayin'....
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Post by Saggitariutt Jefferspin (ith) on May 14, 2008 12:28:33 GMT -6
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Post by Saggitariutt Jefferspin (ith) on May 14, 2008 12:33:12 GMT -6
I think one of the reasons there is such a thing as religion is the human's incapability to comprehend aboslute finality.
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Post by GhostMod 5000 on May 14, 2008 15:00:43 GMT -6
Thyere is no such thing as absolute finality. Nothing ever goes away. Energy cannot be destroyed. Mass cannot be eliminated from the universe. Numbers never stop going up.
In a pure scientific manner, their is no such thing as finality. In the best case scenario for finality, the universe stops expanding from the big bang, and starts to retract on itself, or "the big crunch". Given this debatable scenario, the amount of energy and mass in the universe will remain the same, although the laws of space-time will go haywire....
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Post by Saggitariutt Jefferspin (ith) on May 14, 2008 15:10:45 GMT -6
Ok, people have problems comprehending the fact we'll become dirt.
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Post by bucketochicken on May 14, 2008 15:14:22 GMT -6
Ghost is right, but Itheus' point is well-made. The human mind cannot comprehend/accept the infinite.
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Post by Master Blaster on May 15, 2008 6:39:05 GMT -6
Ok, people have problems comprehending the fact we'll become dirt. Our bodies will become dirt. Our souls will not. Not everyone here is an athiest. I am far from any kind of religious expert, but I do believe in a god, Jesus and Judgement day. |
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Post by iammrhawkeyes on May 15, 2008 23:33:33 GMT -6
Although being an agnostic, I'm sick of shit attitudes by people who think they are somehow above or superior to people who believe in a higher being. I would bet that the percentage of idiots is equally distributed between the religious/non-religious.
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Post by Saggitariutt Jefferspin (ith) on May 16, 2008 8:52:33 GMT -6
Although being an agnostic, I'm sick of shit attitudes by people who think they are somehow above or superior to people who believe in a higher being. I would bet that the percentage of idiots is equally distributed between the religious/non-religious. I understand what you're saying, but there's certainly another side to that. One half of my family is ultra, ultra religious...I mean we're talking "not even knowig what's going on in the world - in a glass box" religious...8 aunts and uncles on that side. Not only do they talk down about other religions - even other Christian sects, but they try and impose their beliefs on others like it's their job. That side of the family found out I wasn't religious, and most of them didn't come to my wedding, X-mas cards stopped coming, and the one family reunion I attended I received the cold shoulder. I would certainly say they act in an elitist manner. |
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Post by socal on May 16, 2008 9:02:40 GMT -6
Although being an agnostic, I'm sick of shit attitudes by people who think they are somehow above or superior to people who believe in a higher being. I would bet that the percentage of idiots is equally distributed between the religious/non-religious. I understand what you're saying, but there's certainly another side to that. One half of my family is ultra, ultra religious...I mean we're talking "not even knowig what's going on in the world - in a glass box" religious...8 aunts and uncles on that side. Not only do they talk down about other religions - even other Christian sects, but they try and impose their beliefs on others like it's their job. That side of the family found out I wasn't religious, and most of them didn't come to my wedding, X-mas cards stopped coming, and the one family reunion I attended I received the cold shoulder. I would certainly say they act in an elitist manner. They sound like they are just strictly adhering to the teachings & actions of Our Lord & Saviour, Jesus Christ. ...oh, nevermind. |
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Post by Dr. Doofenshmirtz (Heywood) on May 16, 2008 9:03:47 GMT -6
Although being an agnostic, I'm sick of shit attitudes by people who think they are somehow above or superior to people who believe in a higher being. I would bet that the percentage of idiots is equally distributed between the religious/non-religious. I understand what you're saying, but there's certainly another side to that. One half of my family is ultra, ultra religious...I mean we're talking "not even knowig what's going on in the world - in a glass box" religious...8 aunts and uncles on that side. Not only do they talk down about other religions - even other Christian sects, but they try and impose their beliefs on others like it's their job. That side of the family found out I wasn't religious, and most of them didn't come to my wedding, X-mas cards stopped coming, and the one family reunion I attended I received the cold shoulder. I would certainly say they act in an elitist manner. Are they Mormon or Jehovah's Witness? |
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Post by Saggitariutt Jefferspin (ith) on May 16, 2008 9:05:10 GMT -6
ha, I kind of thought about that as I was typing "impose their beliefs on others like it's their job".
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Post by iammrhawkeyes on May 16, 2008 9:24:54 GMT -6
Although being an agnostic, I'm sick of shit attitudes by people who think they are somehow above or superior to people who believe in a higher being. I would bet that the percentage of idiots is equally distributed between the religious/non-religious. I understand what you're saying, but there's certainly another side to that. One half of my family is ultra, ultra religious...I mean we're talking "not even knowig what's going on in the world - in a glass box" religious...8 aunts and uncles on that side. Not only do they talk down about other religions - even other Christian sects, but they try and impose their beliefs on others like it's their job. That side of the family found out I wasn't religious, and most of them didn't come to my wedding, X-mas cards stopped coming, and the one family reunion I attended I received the cold shoulder. I would certainly say they act in an elitist manner. To be sure, some religious people are prothletising, elitist boobs. Sorry to hear that the family religious whack jobs cut you out for nothing. I can't stand this behavior. But, I also can't stand atheist whackos who think that they have it all figured out and put down religion at every opportunity(this thread). |
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Post by socal on May 16, 2008 9:43:52 GMT -6
Although being an agnostic, I'm sick of shit attitudes by people who think they are somehow above or superior to people who believe in a higher being. I would bet that the percentage of idiots is equally distributed between the religious/non-religious. To be sure, some religious people are prothletising, elitist boobs. Sorry to hear that the family religious whack jobs cut you out for nothing. I can't stand this behavior. But, I also can't stand atheist whackos who think that they have it all figured out and put down religion at every opportunity(this thread). As a proud recovering Catholic & current member of the Judean Peoples Front- with Deist beliefs... I believe that people that feign disgust, multiple times, at a viewpoint that isn't visible to everyone else, are douches... or misstating their objective. |
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Post by iammrhawkeyes on May 16, 2008 9:56:06 GMT -6
Although being an agnostic, I'm sick of shit attitudes by people who think they are somehow above or superior to people who believe in a higher being. I would bet that the percentage of idiots is equally distributed between the religious/non-religious. To be sure, some religious people are prothletising, elitist boobs. Sorry to hear that the family religious whack jobs cut you out for nothing. I can't stand this behavior. But, I also can't stand atheist whackos who think that they have it all figured out and put down religion at every opportunity(this thread). As a proud recovering Catholic & current member of the Judean Peoples Front- with Deist beliefs... I believe that people that feign disgust, multiple times, at a viewpoint that isn't visible to everyone else, are douches... or misstating their objective. That's funny... for a blind deist. |
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Post by ignatiusreilly on May 16, 2008 10:08:00 GMT -6
I don't see myself as an athiest. I have my doubts about it all, but I'm definitely not an athiest.
I'm not sold on the Bible as the word of God. It was written by the Jews (Israelites). Do I trust the Jews to write my religion? The Bible is a great book no doubt. But when you start to analyze the history of the who, hows, and whys of it, it becomes a collection of stories about God. The book of Dueteronomy, for hundreds of years thought to be written by Moses, was actually planted in the Jerusalem temple and recovered by a King Judah, who was trying to drastically reform Israel, who had strayed in their religious practices. Just so happens that this book is all about Moses' laws for religion and listening to the king. At the time Moses died outside of the Promised Land, the people had no idea there would be a king of Israel. Kings came many years later, after the land was ruled by judges.
The base of religious people, like devout Christians and catholics who rely on the Vatican to tell them what is a sin and what isnt, don't know this kind of stuff. Those are the ignorant ones. The ones who believe the world was created in 7 days exactly as laid out in the Bible, those who believe Noah built a big ass boat and put 2 of every animal on it. Those people are apt to believe anything. But there is a different class of religious people. Who have 'faith' in the Bible. They believe God comissioned humans to write the Bible and God knows that humans are flawed and that the Bible would contain flaws because of this. But it is still the 'word of God'. Well fine... but I just don't trust the Bible that much. Good book, lots of good stories with moral messages (fables?). You just gotta have faith, right. If you don't you go to hell, right? The Pope said so.
Well screw the Pope, screw organized religion, screw the Vatican I will never listen to their stupidity. The the Pope comes out and says it's okay to believe in UFOs, scared weak minded ones listen and 'believe' and 'have faith' because they're too scared to think for themselves.
I could go on for days about this stuff, but I don't want to bore you. Just want to make clear I'm not an athiest I just wish these religious sheeple would start using their brains for what God intended them for... THINKING.
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Post by Gumbyhawk on May 16, 2008 10:35:27 GMT -6
Although being an agnostic, I'm sick of shit attitudes by people who think they are somehow above or superior to people who believe in a higher being. I would bet that the percentage of idiots is equally distributed between the religious/non-religious. I understand what you're saying, but there's certainly another side to that. One half of my family is ultra, ultra religious...I mean we're talking "not even knowig what's going on in the world - in a glass box" religious...8 aunts and uncles on that side. Not only do they talk down about other religions - even other Christian sects, but they try and impose their beliefs on others like it's their job. That side of the family found out I wasn't religious, and most of them didn't come to my wedding, X-mas cards stopped coming, and the one family reunion I attended I received the cold shoulder. I would certainly say they act in an elitist manner. This sort of "religion" must be contagious, because I've come across far too many of these types in my lifetime. They must not realize the harm they are actually doing to their cause. |
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Post by Gumbyhawk on May 16, 2008 10:38:58 GMT -6
I don't see myself as an athiest. I have my doubts about it all, but I'm definitely not an athiest. I'm not sold on the Bible as the word of God. It was written by the Jews (Israelites). Do I trust the Jews to write my religion? The Bible is a great book no doubt. But when you start to analyze the history of the who, hows, and whys of it, it becomes a collection of stories about God. The book of Dueteronomy, for hundreds of years thought to be written by Moses, was actually planted in the Jerusalem temple and recovered by a King Judah, who was trying to drastically reform Israel, who had strayed in their religious practices. Just so happens that this book is all about Moses' laws for religion and listening to the king. At the time Moses died outside of the Promised Land, the people had no idea there would be a king of Israel. Kings came many years later, after the land was ruled by judges. The base of religious people, like devout Christians and catholics who rely on the Vatican to tell them what is a sin and what isnt, don't know this kind of stuff. Those are the ignorant ones. The ones who believe the world was created in 7 days exactly as laid out in the Bible, those who believe Noah built a big ass boat and put 2 of every animal on it. Those people are apt to believe anything. But there is a different class of religious people. Who have 'faith' in the Bible. They believe God comissioned humans to write the Bible and God knows that humans are flawed and that the Bible would contain flaws because of this. But it is still the 'word of God'. Well fine... but I just don't trust the Bible that much. Good book, lots of good stories with moral messages (fables?). You just gotta have faith, right. If you don't you go to hell, right? The Pope said so. Well screw the Pope, screw organized religion, screw the Vatican I will never listen to their stupidity. The the Pope comes out and says it's okay to believe in UFOs, scared weak minded ones listen and 'believe' and 'have faith' because they're too scared to think for themselves. I could go on for days about this stuff, but I don't want to bore you. Just want to make clear I'm not an athiest I just wish these religious sheeple would start using their brains for what God intended them for... THINKING. Big ol' COSIGN!! You've stated my feelings far better than I could have. |
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Post by bucketochicken on May 16, 2008 11:08:18 GMT -6
It's too bad that Religion is so easily conflated with and obstructive of Faith/Love.
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Post by The Bluzmn on May 16, 2008 12:37:43 GMT -6
I am a proud rationalist. Not an atheist, because that makes me say that I do not believe in something that does not exist in the first place. Rather, I choose to believe in something that should exist - rational thought without mythology. No God, no Jesus, no Mohammed, no Zeus, no Flying Spaghetti Monster - none of it. www.venganza.org/More atrocities and offenses against humanity have been committed in the name of one religion or another than all of the other reasons combined. We are currently embroiled in a trillion dollar war and why? Religion - theirs, ours, it really doesn't matter. The whole turmoil in the middle east is over who has the best imaginary friend. I live in a state where religion is shoved down my throat constantly. We are in the middle of a 100-year drought. What is our governor's answer? A prayer vigil! And a year later, we are still in the drought so that apparently didn't work out so well for us. I am surrounded by people who talk about God's love, but of course, that doesn't include gays, blacks, Arabs, Jews, liberals, etc. In my heart, I believe that without a couple of millennia of inertia, there would not be religion, at least as we know it. If someone came out today with an explanation of life that included some benevolent being that knows everything at all times and has a plan for everything; who impregnated a mortal woman to produce a son who would then be tortured and put to death so that all the world could go to some place in the clouds and live happily ever after; oh, and still remains invisible, they would be met with scorn and ridicule. If they were insistent enough, they may be committed. If that makes you think I am elitist or arrogant or will go to a very hot place for a very long time, too fkn bad. Hey, did you hear that the Catholic church has developed a cure for pedophilia? Yep. Apparenty, transferring to a new diocese and remaining silent is all it takes. |
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Post by Gumbyhawk on May 16, 2008 12:57:34 GMT -6
I am a proud rationalist. Not an atheist, because that makes me say that I do not believe in something that does not exist in the first place. Rather, I choose to believe in something that should exist - rational thought without mythology. No God, no Jesus, no Mohammed, no Zeus, no Flying Spaghetti Monster - none of it. www.venganza.org/More atrocities and offenses against humanity have been committed in the name of one religion or another than all of the other reasons combined. We are currently embroiled in a trillion dollar war and why? Religion - theirs, ours, it really doesn't matter. The whole turmoil in the middle east is over who has the best imaginary friend. I live in a state where religion is shoved down my throat constantly. We are in the middle of a 100-year drought. What is our governor's answer? A prayer vigil! And a year later, we are still in the drought so that apparently didn't work out so well for us. I am surrounded by people who talk about God's love, but of course, that doesn't include gays, blacks, Arabs, Jews, liberals, etc. In my heart, I believe that without a couple of millennia of inertia, there would not be religion, at least as we know it. If someone came out today with an explanation of life that included some benevolent being that knows everything at all times and has a plan for everything; who impregnated a mortal woman to produce a son who would then be tortured and put to death so that all the world could go to some place in the clouds and live happily ever after; oh, and still remains invisible, they would be met with scorn and ridicule. If they were insistent enough, they may be committed. If that makes you think I am elitist or arrogant or will go to a very hot place for a very long time, too fkn bad. Hey, did you hear that the Catholic church has developed a cure for pedophilia? Yep. Apparenty, transferring to a new diocese and remaining silent is all it takes. Right now, somewhere, JM is praying for you and your soul...  |
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Post by The Bluzmn on May 16, 2008 14:05:46 GMT -6
I had to laugh just now. I was out running errands and, after making that post earlier, I came up behind a car with a bumper sticker that read, "Gods don't kill people, People with Gods kill people."
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