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Post by NOTTHOR on Sept 3, 2021 13:34:52 GMT -6
I'll get on that right after you show me precisely where in the Constitution abortion is a protected right. Irregardless of that, the statute specifically deals with a doctor performing an abortion, not a fetal death from another cause and your "witty" point shows a fundamental lack of understanding of Anglo-American common law whereby a burden of proof is placed on the party advancing a case. Just because you believe patently false information that you read on The Twitter doesn't make it true. At the end of the day, I think this is a stupid fucking law. I think the Virginia one from a few years ago was stupid as fuck, too. This is what happens when you have ideologue extremists on both sides trying to spike the fucking football. It's just utterly stupid shit. If a woman wants to have an abortion first trimester fucking fine. I don't care. They need to get a case to the SCOTUS where the SCOTUS just says "Here is Planned Parenthood v. Casey again, here is the floor and the ceiling. No one will like the decision, but fuck you, tough shit. We split the proverbial baby so stop fucking with statutes and stop bringing cases under this shit." What about 2nd trimester ? I don't recall exactly, it's in Planned Parenthood v. Casey. Basically, fucksticks like Virginia saying in essence "go ahead and kill the baby in the birth canal" and Tejas saying "anyone can sue a doctor who performs and abortion after 6 weeks" need to be reigned the hell in because they're all fucking lunatics.
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Post by thunderhawk on Sept 4, 2021 4:01:29 GMT -6
What about 2nd trimester ? I don't recall exactly, it's in Planned Parenthood v. Casey. Basically, fucksticks like Virginia saying in essence "go ahead and kill the baby in the birth canal" and Tejas saying "anyone can sue a doctor who performs and abortion after 6 weeks" need to be reigned the hell in because they're all fucking lunatics. I don’t have the stats at hand but I’m fairly certain that the vast, vast majority of abortions performed after 20 weeks are due to some fetal or maternal issue, not as a form of birth control.
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Post by thunderhawk on Sept 4, 2021 4:06:52 GMT -6
This fucking asshole stole my idea. I posted a zone flood of frivolous lawsuits strategy before this even became law. All you need is a model petition, Republican voter rolls, and nominal filing fees. I could literally, with assistance, sue thousands of Republicans daily under this law with absolutely zero risk of sanction. Which part of the statute removes any risk of sanction? I see this provision "(i) Notwithstanding any other law, a court may not award costs or attorney ’s fees under the Texas Rules of Civil Procedure or any other rule adopted by the supreme court under Section 22.004, Government Code, to a defendant in an action brought under this section." If I were sued under this, I would bring a separate action for abuse of process, which is a distinct intentional tort. That would be a separate proceeding, not an action brought under that section that 86s loser pays fee shifting. Now if you would want to roll the dice that the Texas Supreme Court would let a bunch of libruhls sue every Republican in Texas, be my guest, but good luck getting the intentional tort discharged in bankruptcy when you ultimately have to file. I didn't read the whole statute and just glanced at it, but I did a control f for Rule 13, which is the analog to Federal Rule of Civil Procedure 11(b) requiring due inquiry into the validity of the suit. While the portion I quoted above is a problem for fees, it doesn't do shit to negate a contempt charge. County jail in Texas sure sounds nice. LOL I’m not signing any petitions. Pro se. Irregardless this entire law is abuse of process, and they knew it, so they shielded against it. Oops.
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Post by thunderhawk on Sept 7, 2021 10:54:49 GMT -6
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Post by Other on Sept 7, 2021 15:02:14 GMT -6
Oooofffff. When Mexico is more progressive about women’s reproductive rights than your country is.
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Post by socal on Sept 9, 2021 18:43:57 GMT -6
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Post by Other on Sept 9, 2021 19:50:04 GMT -6
Good questions. I’m guessing the republican response is going to be something along the lines of ‘No, not like that’ particularly if they have to take any degree of responsibility for their policies or if it costs them a single dime. They do not, for a second, believe a six week old fetus is a ‘person’ nor do they fucking care.
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Post by Ginger on Sept 9, 2021 21:12:50 GMT -6
Good questions. I’m guessing the republican response is going to be something along the lines of ‘No, not like that’ particularly if they have to take any degree of responsibility for their policies or if it costs them a single dime. They do not, for a second, believe a six week old fetus is a ‘person’ nor do they fucking care. They don’t care. If they did they would be at fertility sites making sure no one was tossing out frozen fertlized eggs. I believe there was a Republican politician that specifically said those didn’t count because they weren’t in a woman.
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Post by Logan Roy’s Bastard Son on Oct 13, 2021 13:57:29 GMT -6
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Post by Ginger on Jun 24, 2022 9:21:18 GMT -6
I am so angry right now with the Supreme Court overturning of Roe vs Wade. Just shaking mad. There better be some action by the dems to take care of this.
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Post by Other on Jun 24, 2022 9:33:36 GMT -6
I am so angry right now with the Supreme Court overturning of Roe vs Wade. Just shaking mad. There better be some action by the dems to take care of this. Today the supreme court took away my wife's and my daughter's bodily autonomy.
I am fucking furious.
If my daughter were to be raped she would now have to bear that child. My wife and I recently thought that there was a very real chance that she was pregnant and given our age and some of her health issues that probably would not go so well. I have always been open minded about other people's political beliefs and have refused to allow politics to divide me from my friends and neighbors but I'm not sure I see a way forwards with my conservative friends. They fucking did this. Their votes made this happen and I fucking hate them for it.
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Post by kirksfupa on Jun 24, 2022 9:54:48 GMT -6
This is a bad bad bad descion. Fucking morons, its a womens body she should decide.
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Post by Other on Jun 24, 2022 10:39:49 GMT -6
Thomas stated in his concurring opinion that the court should reconsider Griswold, Lawrence, and Obergefell — the rulings that now protect contraception, same-sex relationships, and same-sex marriage. Pages 118 and 119. I hope these fucks enjoy living the rest of their lives behind bullet proof glass.
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Post by NOTTHOR on Jun 24, 2022 11:07:33 GMT -6
I am so angry right now with the Supreme Court overturning of Roe vs Wade. Just shaking mad. There better be some action by the dems to take care of this. Are you literally shaking?
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Post by NOTTHOR on Jun 24, 2022 11:10:44 GMT -6
I am so angry right now with the Supreme Court overturning of Roe vs Wade. Just shaking mad. There better be some action by the dems to take care of this. Today the supreme court took away my wife's and my daughter's bodily autonomy.
I am fucking furious.
If my daughter were to be raped she would now have to bear that child. My wife and I recently thought that there was a very real chance that she was pregnant and given our age and some of her health issues that probably would not go so well. I have always been open minded about other people's political beliefs and have refused to allow politics to divide me from my friends and neighbors but I'm not sure I see a way forwards with my conservative friends. They fucking did this. Their votes made this happen and I fucking hate them for it.The Supreme Court did no such thing. Now your state legislature and governor may take away the ability to get abortions, but it is in their hands. But be cool, this just ensures that abortion will continue to be a wedge issue to keep the proletariat class directed at each other for the next few decades and keep the elite class protected a little while longer.
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Post by NOTTHOR on Jun 24, 2022 11:13:49 GMT -6
Thomas stated in his concurring opinion that the court should reconsider Griswold, Lawrence, and Obergefell — the rulings that now protect contraception, same-sex relationships, and same-sex marriage. Pages 118 and 119. I hope these fucks enjoy living the rest of their lives behind bullet proof glass. Yes, because Griswold hinges on the same faulty ideological bedrock that Roe was built upon. A prior court made up a new constitutional right that isn't in the document. That said, in order for Griswold to be overturned some state would have to create a statute restricting birth control, which I believe even in the deepest red states is highly unlikely. The other two cases should definitely be safe on Equal Protection Clause grounds.
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Post by Ginger on Jun 24, 2022 11:29:35 GMT -6
I am so angry right now with the Supreme Court overturning of Roe vs Wade. Just shaking mad. There better be some action by the dems to take care of this. Are you literally shaking? Yes. I also screamed fuck you at the old guy with his antiabortion sign in front of planned parenthood as I drove by this morning
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Post by NOTTHOR on Jun 24, 2022 11:37:09 GMT -6
Are you literally shaking? Yes. I also screamed fuck you at the old guy with his antiabortion sign in front of planned parenthood as I drove by this morning Why? I doubt that abortion rights in Minnesota will be changed in any material fashion. Pull up the 2020 presidential electoral map. If a state on there is red, there is a high chance there is gonna be prompt legislative action substantially curtailing abortion access. Most of the states that are blue won't have restrictions, with the possible exception of WI, MI, PA, GA and AZ.
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Post by Ginger on Jun 24, 2022 12:51:47 GMT -6
Yes. I also screamed fuck you at the old guy with his antiabortion sign in front of planned parenthood as I drove by this morning Why? I doubt that abortion rights in Minnesota will be changed in any material fashion. Pull up the 2020 presidential electoral map. If a state on there is red, there is a high chance there is gonna be prompt legislative action substantially curtailing abortion access. Most of the states that are blue won't have restrictions, with the possible exception of WI, MI, PA, GA and AZ. And Roe v Wade is “settled law”. Quit being so damn flippant about this. I’m way past child bearing age so I shouldn’t even worry about it right? I’m in a blue state so who cares? I care about other women not having the rights to control what happens to their health.
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Post by NOTTHOR on Jun 24, 2022 13:15:13 GMT -6
Why? I doubt that abortion rights in Minnesota will be changed in any material fashion. Pull up the 2020 presidential electoral map. If a state on there is red, there is a high chance there is gonna be prompt legislative action substantially curtailing abortion access. Most of the states that are blue won't have restrictions, with the possible exception of WI, MI, PA, GA and AZ. And Roe v Wade is “settled law”. Quit being so damn flippant about this. I’m way past child bearing age so I shouldn’t even worry about it right? I’m in a blue state so who cares? I care about other women not having the rights to control what happens to their health. "Settled law." Lulz. You sound just like the Democrats who argued for continued school segregation in Brown versus Board. "Ya honnah, Pleessa vuhsus Ferguson is settled law..." Not surprising though because you voted for a guy who wanted a constitutional amendment to ban bussing as a means of ending school desegregation. Irregardless, if you don't like it, just change the Constitution so it is codified and can never be taken away absent a subsequent change to the Constitution. States that enact restrictions will have an exception for the health of the mother.
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Post by Other on Jun 24, 2022 13:20:31 GMT -6
Yes. I also screamed fuck you at the old guy with his antiabortion sign in front of planned parenthood as I drove by this morning Why? I doubt that abortion rights in Minnesota will be changed in any material fashion. Pull up the 2020 presidential electoral map. If a state on there is red, there is a high chance there is gonna be prompt legislative action substantially curtailing abortion access. Most of the states that are blue won't have restrictions, with the possible exception of WI, MI, PA, GA and AZ. The classic conservative thought process of 'Nothing is ever a problem until its a problem for me.'
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Post by thunderhawk on Jun 24, 2022 13:43:10 GMT -6
Thomas stated in his concurring opinion that the court should reconsider Griswold, Lawrence, and Obergefell — the rulings that now protect contraception, same-sex relationships, and same-sex marriage. Pages 118 and 119. I hope these fucks enjoy living the rest of their lives behind bullet proof glass. Yes, because Griswold hinges on the same faulty ideological bedrock that Roe was built upon. A prior court made up a new constitutional right that isn't in the document. That said, in order for Griswold to be overturned some state would have to create a statute restricting birth control, which I believe even in the deepest red states is highly unlikely. The other two cases should definitely be safe on Equal Protection Clause grounds. Just to be clear, said document was written exclusively by wealthy white men (many of whom owned other humans) in a time before the Coloreds (again, many of whom were owned by said wealthy white men) and women even had a right to vote or were considered full citizens under said document. At least the blacks got a shout out in the constitution, what with being granted 3/5 personhood. Women didn't even get that courtesy, nor were they referenced at all. They were considered property. You know, the same way the fascist fucks on SCrOTUS consider them today. Now, for the record, and because I know y'all expect this from me, here's the good stuff: If my daughter were ever raped, and she was forced by the state to carry that pregnancy (which wouldn't happen, because I'd make arrangements,) yes, I would in fact hunt down, torture, and dispatch of as many right wing elected office holders as I could. Just brutal, brutal, dispatches. One of mine to the hospital, ten of yours to the morgue, motherfuckers. Oh by the way I stocked up on more ammo last night. 00 buckshot. It'll make my Benelli sing.
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Post by thunderhawk on Jun 24, 2022 13:46:39 GMT -6
Why? I doubt that abortion rights in Minnesota will be changed in any material fashion. Pull up the 2020 presidential electoral map. If a state on there is red, there is a high chance there is gonna be prompt legislative action substantially curtailing abortion access. Most of the states that are blue won't have restrictions, with the possible exception of WI, MI, PA, GA and AZ. The classic conservative thought process of 'Nothing is ever a problem until its a problem for me.' It is a problem for them. If they or their daughters or wives are raped or experience a problem pregnancy they'll be at the same brutal mercy of the state as everyone else.
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Post by Other on Jun 24, 2022 14:41:38 GMT -6
Yes, because Griswold hinges on the same faulty ideological bedrock that Roe was built upon. A prior court made up a new constitutional right that isn't in the document. That said, in order for Griswold to be overturned some state would have to create a statute restricting birth control, which I believe even in the deepest red states is highly unlikely. The other two cases should definitely be safe on Equal Protection Clause grounds. Just to be clear, said document was written exclusively by wealthy white men (many of whom owned other humans) in a time before the Coloreds (again, many of whom were owned by said wealthy white men) and women even had a right to vote or were considered full citizens under said document. At least the blacks got a shout out in the constitution, what with being granted 3/5 personhood. Women didn't even get that courtesy, nor were they referenced at all. They were considered property. You know, the same way the fascist fucks on SCrOTUS consider them today. Now, for the record, and because I know y'all expect this from me, here's the good stuff: If my daughter were ever raped, and she was forced by the state to carry that pregnancy (which wouldn't happen, because I'd make arrangements,) yes, I would in fact hunt down, torture, and dispatch of as many right wing elected office holders as I could. Just brutal, brutal, dispatches. One of mine to the hospital, ten of yours to the morgue, motherfuckers. Oh by the way I stocked up on more ammo last night. 00 buckshot. It'll make my Benelli sing. Serious question: Do you think a shootin' war is on the horizon? I'm seriously starting to wonder.
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Post by thunderhawk on Jun 24, 2022 15:14:25 GMT -6
Just to be clear, said document was written exclusively by wealthy white men (many of whom owned other humans) in a time before the Coloreds (again, many of whom were owned by said wealthy white men) and women even had a right to vote or were considered full citizens under said document. At least the blacks got a shout out in the constitution, what with being granted 3/5 personhood. Women didn't even get that courtesy, nor were they referenced at all. They were considered property. You know, the same way the fascist fucks on SCrOTUS consider them today. Now, for the record, and because I know y'all expect this from me, here's the good stuff: If my daughter were ever raped, and she was forced by the state to carry that pregnancy (which wouldn't happen, because I'd make arrangements,) yes, I would in fact hunt down, torture, and dispatch of as many right wing elected office holders as I could. Just brutal, brutal, dispatches. One of mine to the hospital, ten of yours to the morgue, motherfuckers. Oh by the way I stocked up on more ammo last night. 00 buckshot. It'll make my Benelli sing. Serious question: Do you think a shootin' war is on the horizon? I'm seriously starting to wonder. Yes.
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