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Post by Other on Jan 5, 2023 11:28:38 GMT -6
Agreed. We know that if you are vaccinated you will no longer contract that novel virus. The long-term effects of the virus will take a decade or more to understand, but we already have a solid data set on the vaccine. It is safe and effective. Let’s not forget the combination of both having the vaccine AND having Covid. What does THAT do to you, pal? Did you ever think of that? Somewhat relevant to that question. www.ahajournals.org/doi/10.1161/CIRCULATIONAHA.122.061025
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Post by NOTTHOR on Jan 5, 2023 11:29:58 GMT -6
Agreed. We know that if you are vaccinated you will no longer contract that novel virus. The long-term effects of the virus will take a decade or more to understand, but we already have a solid data set on the vaccine. It is safe and effective. Let’s not forget the combination of both having the vaccine AND having Covid. What does THAT do to you, pal? Did you ever think of that? Are you implying that the combination could potentially have an adverse effect? I don't see how that could be possible because the vaccine has already been proven safe and effective and no one could come to that conclusion without analyzing the hypothetical combination of which you speak.
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Post by NOTTHOR on Jan 5, 2023 11:44:23 GMT -6
Agreed. We know that if you are vaccinated you will no longer contract that novel virus. The long-term effects of the virus will take a decade or more to understand, but we already have a solid data set on the vaccine. It is safe and effective. Sadly any discussion of Hamlin's collapse has degenerated into predictable and bitter fights between partisan and vaxxed/unvaxxed camps. Any formal determination of Hamlin's muscular and cardiac status prior to this tackle and collapse, and whether there was damage caused by a COVID jab -- assuming he had one -- could have enormous ramifications well beyond sports and government policy. There are many powerful interests who would not like to have exposed that he had suffered damage due to an mRNA stick, if in fact that's what happened. We don't know what caused it. Do you think we ever will? If the vaccine causes problems, which it clearly doesn't, it would be like many other toxic tort issues where it takes a decade or more to reach any sort of statistically significant data-driven conclusion. This sort of shit requires a mind-bending regression model that measures two populations over a long period. You can't rely on pre-2020 data because COVID itself could be responsible for the problems so the model is plagued by a second exogenous variable. Normally you could do a regression model with a single binary variable (vaxxed or unvaxxed) and draw a decent conclusion in maybe a few years, but the second binary variable is had COVID or didn't have COVID and that one is going to be lit up as a 1 for pretty much everyone (except me) due to the endemic nature of the Germ. So anyone who makes a conclusion right off the bat that he died of a "vax injury" is totally full of shit.
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Post by Logan Roy’s Bastard Son on Jan 5, 2023 11:52:11 GMT -6
Sadly any discussion of Hamlin's collapse has degenerated into predictable and bitter fights between partisan and vaxxed/unvaxxed camps. Any formal determination of Hamlin's muscular and cardiac status prior to this tackle and collapse, and whether there was damage caused by a COVID jab -- assuming he had one -- could have enormous ramifications well beyond sports and government policy. There are many powerful interests who would not like to have exposed that he had suffered damage due to an mRNA stick, if in fact that's what happened. We don't know what caused it. Do you think we ever will? If the vaccine causes problems, which it clearly doesn't, it would be like many other toxic tort issues where it takes a decade or more to reach any sort of statistically significant data-driven conclusion. This sort of shit requires a mind-bending regression model that measures two populations over a long period. You can't rely on pre-2020 data because COVID itself could be responsible for the problems so the model is plagued by a second exogenous variable. Normally you could do a regression model with a single binary variable (vaxxed or unvaxxed) and draw a decent conclusion in maybe a few years, but the second binary variable is had COVID or didn't have COVID and that one is going to be lit up as a 1 for pretty much everyone (except me) due to the endemic nature of the Germ. So anyone who makes a conclusion right off the bat that he died of a "vax injury" is totally full of shit. But will medical professionals who've examined and treated Hamlin be allowed to report conditions consistent with "vax injury"? And will the world ever see said reports? Again, unfounded speculation and we don't know what conditions existed to cause cardiac arrest from what by most counts was typical NFL contact and tackle.
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Post by NOTTHOR on Jan 5, 2023 12:00:19 GMT -6
If the vaccine causes problems, which it clearly doesn't, it would be like many other toxic tort issues where it takes a decade or more to reach any sort of statistically significant data-driven conclusion. This sort of shit requires a mind-bending regression model that measures two populations over a long period. You can't rely on pre-2020 data because COVID itself could be responsible for the problems so the model is plagued by a second exogenous variable. Normally you could do a regression model with a single binary variable (vaxxed or unvaxxed) and draw a decent conclusion in maybe a few years, but the second binary variable is had COVID or didn't have COVID and that one is going to be lit up as a 1 for pretty much everyone (except me) due to the endemic nature of the Germ. So anyone who makes a conclusion right off the bat that he died of a "vax injury" is totally full of shit. But will medical professionals who've examined and treated Hamlin be allowed to report conditions consistent with "vax injury"? And will the world ever see said reports? Again, unfounded speculation and we don't know what conditions existed to cause cardiac arrest from what by most counts was typical NFL contact and tackle. There's no such medical condition as a "vax injury," so no, they would never report that. The doctors, if permitted by applicable law and the patient/his attorney-in-fact or personal representative, would at most describe the applicable medical condition. Proving causation other than as it relates to a physical condition that demonstrably caused the incident (e.g. a contusion, enlarged heart, etc.) is impossible.
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Post by thunderhawk on Jan 6, 2023 15:56:29 GMT -6
We're not in disagreement. The guy could have had COVID at some point and this is a manifestation of long-term symptoms of that. Could have been a contusion. Could have been commotio cordis. Dude could have OD'd. Dude could have had a congenital condition. Dude could have taken way too much caffeine in some sort of pre-workout stimulant that he used. There are a litany of things that could have caused it and the only one we can definitively rule out is the vaccine because it has been conclusively proven to be safe and effective. This kid was subbing for Micah Hyde who was out with a neck injury. Goddamn Iowa football strikes again. This is almost certainly commotio cordis. There’s a different angle photo showing a section of the face mask of Higgins being driven into his chest right above the heart. Just an extremely unlucky set of circumstances. This is why tackling high is always a bad idea. I make players drop and do push-ups if they tackle high. It drives me crazy. I’m certified to coach through a program administered by the NFL and we have a course dealing with this and other cardiac emergencies. CC is more common (but still extremely rare) in baseball and hockey and lacrosse but it’s a risk in football too. We even have to learn how to operate the portable AED defibrillator. It’s not Covid or vaccination related. Occam’s fucking Razor people.
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Post by thunderhawk on Jan 6, 2023 15:57:39 GMT -6
Let’s not forget the combination of both having the vaccine AND having Covid. What does THAT do to you, pal? Did you ever think of that? Are you implying that the combination could potentially have an adverse effect? I don't see how that could be possible because the vaccine has already been proven safe and effective and no one could come to that conclusion without analyzing the hypothetical combination of which you speak. Am I the only one here who’s studied mRNA technology at an actual university? I’ve had Covid (bad, pre vaccines) and every recommended vaccine and booster. I workout like a beast daily. I also have an enlarged left ventricle. I’m your huckleberry.
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Post by Other on Jan 6, 2023 18:49:36 GMT -6
If the vaccine causes problems, which it clearly doesn't, it would be like many other toxic tort issues where it takes a decade or more to reach any sort of statistically significant data-driven conclusion. This sort of shit requires a mind-bending regression model that measures two populations over a long period. You can't rely on pre-2020 data because COVID itself could be responsible for the problems so the model is plagued by a second exogenous variable. Normally you could do a regression model with a single binary variable (vaxxed or unvaxxed) and draw a decent conclusion in maybe a few years, but the second binary variable is had COVID or didn't have COVID and that one is going to be lit up as a 1 for pretty much everyone (except me) due to the endemic nature of the Germ. So anyone who makes a conclusion right off the bat that he died of a "vax injury" is totally full of shit. But will medical professionals who've examined and treated Hamlin be allowed to report conditions consistent with "vax injury"? And will the world ever see said reports? Again, unfounded speculation and we don't know what conditions existed to cause cardiac arrest from what by most counts was typical NFL contact and tackle. You’re a moron. I’d explain why but you wouldn’t understand.
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Post by Other on Jan 6, 2023 18:52:11 GMT -6
Are you implying that the combination could potentially have an adverse effect? I don't see how that could be possible because the vaccine has already been proven safe and effective and no one could come to that conclusion without analyzing the hypothetical combination of which you speak. I also have an enlarged left ventricle. I’m your huckleberry. Stay off the steroids Thunder.
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Post by socal on Jan 7, 2023 18:33:44 GMT -6
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Post by socal on Jan 12, 2023 8:20:56 GMT -6
Not sure if anyone has watched Hard Knocks with the Cardinals. The during credits bit with JJ Watt was great. Dude was a badass.
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Post by twinlaker on Jan 14, 2023 22:25:00 GMT -6
NFL is croooked!
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Post by Ginger on Jan 14, 2023 22:36:51 GMT -6
I assume you are speaking of the Chargers and Jags game? That was ridiculous.
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Post by Other on Jan 15, 2023 14:52:53 GMT -6
I assume you are speaking of the Chargers and Jags game? That was ridiculous. What happened?
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Post by LansingHawk on Jan 15, 2023 19:05:05 GMT -6
LOL, fucking Vikings.
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Post by Ginger on Jan 22, 2023 19:59:39 GMT -6
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Post by Ginger on Jan 29, 2023 15:21:22 GMT -6
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Post by Ginger on Sept 12, 2023 14:25:33 GMT -6
A story
Out for the season
Dude just got signed last week
How many skipped out?
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