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Post by socal on Mar 12, 2008 11:15:01 GMT -6
....but stories like this piss me off & show why Bush's tenure will be seen as the worst in our country's history: www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/03/11/AR2008031102800.html?After Philadelphia's housing director refused a demand by President Bush's housing secretary to transfer a piece of city property to a business friend, two top political appointees at the department exchanged e-mails discussing the pain they could cause the Philadelphia director.
"Would you like me to make his life less happy? If so, how?" Orlando J. Cabrera, then-assistant secretary at the U.S. Department of Housing and Urban Development, wrote about Philadelphia housing director Carl R. Greene.
"Take away all of his Federal dollars?" responded Kim Kendrick, an assistant secretary who oversaw accessible housing. She typed symbols for a smiley-face, ":-D," at the end of her January 2007 note.
Cabrera wrote back a few minutes later: "Let me look into that possibility." ...Some government departments are - and will likely always be "political"... but the DOJ and HUD are two that should never be. |
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Post by NotMyKid on Mar 12, 2008 11:19:59 GMT -6
....but stories like this piss me off & show why Bush's tenure will be seen as the worst in our country's history: www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/03/11/AR2008031102800.html?After Philadelphia's housing director refused a demand by President Bush's housing secretary to transfer a piece of city property to a business friend, two top political appointees at the department exchanged e-mails discussing the pain they could cause the Philadelphia director.
"Would you like me to make his life less happy? If so, how?" Orlando J. Cabrera, then-assistant secretary at the U.S. Department of Housing and Urban Development, wrote about Philadelphia housing director Carl R. Greene.
"Take away all of his Federal dollars?" responded Kim Kendrick, an assistant secretary who oversaw accessible housing. She typed symbols for a smiley-face, ":-D," at the end of her January 2007 note.
Cabrera wrote back a few minutes later: "Let me look into that possibility." ...Some government departments are - and will likely always be "political"... but the DOJ and HUD are two that should never be. That is pretty shitty and happens at all levels more then we would think and something that people in both parties have a problem with. |
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Post by The Flying Spaghetti Monster on Mar 12, 2008 20:48:23 GMT -6
I do not care if everyone does it.
I voted for Bush in 2000 because he led us all to believe he was above all of that and would not put up with it after the prior 8 years of Billary Bullshit.
History will show that W and his fat cats were multiple degrees worse than the Clintons. Bush and his bible beating buddies are the primary reason I am no longer a registered Republican after 25 years.
The funny thing is that after multiple years of thinking the opposite, I think Cheney is the most honest one of them all. He's never mislead people for what he believes in.
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Post by kshawkesq on Mar 12, 2008 21:13:50 GMT -6
I vote for Bush once. I wrote in Mccain the second time. I thought that little song and dance he did the other night was a bit glib to say the least. I think even the republicans can agree that Bush will go down in history as one of the least effective presidents. He's no Grover Cleveland, but he's not good either.
Still, I ask anyone, how does Obama propose to pay for all of his proposed plans, funding and programs? And will you be satified with that answer?
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Post by iagirl223 on Mar 12, 2008 21:37:03 GMT -6
kshawk, I voted for Bush in 2000. At that moment I thought he was the right choice. (I'm an independent) 2004 I was a disgruntled voter and went with the dems. Bad choices all around. IMOP. This year I am voting for Obama and his 'Hope' campaign. I'm cluesless on his actual agenda but darn it all we need HOPE!!! Edit!!! ks I just gave you a shot of karma.....and yes I will be in charge of the guest book at your wedding whether you like it or not!!......plus where are the updates on your private life? The red head, the pregnant stripper with your phone number......those everyday things. We're feeling a little slighted here.  |
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Post by socal on Mar 13, 2008 3:06:03 GMT -6
Still, I ask anyone, how does Obama propose to pay for all of his proposed plans, funding and programs? And will you be satified with that answer? It's readily accessible. www.barackobama.com/issuesThere are multiple articles almost everywhere on various plans. Here's an older (but still relevant) one with a rough outline of his healthcare plan. economistsview.typepad.com/economistsview/2007/06/paul_krugman_ob.htmlThe gist of paying for this program will be through - efficiency (universal electronic billing/records), which would cover over half of the plan's costs. - letting some of Bush's tax cuts expire - bringing the Iraq war to a close There are many other things I could post, but that's all I'm good for at 4am (sick kid). More tomorrow/later if the links don't provide enough info. |
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Post by The Bluzmn on Mar 13, 2008 5:43:41 GMT -6
As for money, how about the $3 TRILLION that we will end up spending in Iraq - a war that we were told would only last a short while and cost only a few billion. Imagine, if you will, that we had not invaded a sovereign nation, lost a lot of our military strength as well as thousands of US lives and almost a million Iraqi lives. Do you think we could have used some of that money here?
Bush will go down as the worst president in history, if history is at all accurate and fair. The drain on our economy, our military, the illegalities, the flaunting of the Constitution...........no, I am not going to get all worked up this morning.
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Post by Gumbyhawk on Mar 13, 2008 6:43:37 GMT -6
As for money, how about the $3 TRILLION that we will end up spending in Iraq - a war that we were told would only last a short while and cost only a few billion. Imagine, if you will, that we had not invaded a sovereign nation, lost a lot of our military strength as well as thousands of US lives and almost a million Iraqi lives. Do you think we could have used some of that money here? Bush will go down as the worst president in history, if history is at all accurate and fair. The drain on our economy, our military, the illegalities, the flaunting of the Constitution...........no, I am not going to get all worked up this morning. Word, cosign, and.... preach on brother!! I am very much looking forward to November and even more so to Jan. 2009. |
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Post by bucketochicken on Mar 13, 2008 6:56:08 GMT -6
Comparatively speaking, Grover Cleveland is a towering hero of American political history.
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Post by GhostMod 5000 on Mar 13, 2008 7:42:31 GMT -6
Comparatively speaking, Grover Cleveland is a towering hero of American political history. That's true...  |
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Post by bucketochicken on Mar 13, 2008 7:58:36 GMT -6
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Post by socal on Mar 13, 2008 8:01:36 GMT -6
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Post by socal on Mar 31, 2008 8:22:33 GMT -6
....but stories like this piss me off & show why Bush's tenure will be seen as the worst in our country's history: www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/03/11/AR2008031102800.html?After Philadelphia's housing director refused a demand by President Bush's housing secretary to transfer a piece of city property to a business friend, two top political appointees at the department exchanged e-mails discussing the pain they could cause the Philadelphia director.
"Would you like me to make his life less happy? If so, how?" Orlando J. Cabrera, then-assistant secretary at the U.S. Department of Housing and Urban Development, wrote about Philadelphia housing director Carl R. Greene.
"Take away all of his Federal dollars?" responded Kim Kendrick, an assistant secretary who oversaw accessible housing. She typed symbols for a smiley-face, ":-D," at the end of her January 2007 note.
Cabrera wrote back a few minutes later: "Let me look into that possibility." ...Some government departments are - and will likely always be "political"... but the DOJ and HUD are two that should never be. That is pretty shitty and happens at all levels more then we would think and something that people in both parties have a problem with. That was a relatively quick result from the Bush Administration... tpmmuckraker.talkingpointsmemo.com/2008/03/cronys_reign_comes_to_early_en.php |
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Post by Chuck Storm on Mar 31, 2008 9:03:20 GMT -6
....but stories like this piss me off & show why Bush's tenure will be seen as the worst in our country's history: www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/03/11/AR2008031102800.html?After Philadelphia's housing director refused a demand by President Bush's housing secretary to transfer a piece of city property to a business friend, two top political appointees at the department exchanged e-mails discussing the pain they could cause the Philadelphia director.
"Would you like me to make his life less happy? If so, how?" Orlando J. Cabrera, then-assistant secretary at the U.S. Department of Housing and Urban Development, wrote about Philadelphia housing director Carl R. Greene.
"Take away all of his Federal dollars?" responded Kim Kendrick, an assistant secretary who oversaw accessible housing. She typed symbols for a smiley-face, ":-D," at the end of her January 2007 note.
Cabrera wrote back a few minutes later: "Let me look into that possibility." ...Some government departments are - and will likely always be "political"... but the DOJ and HUD are two that should never be. If you think this is bad under Bush, just wait for Obama. The guy's entire campaign is based on taking even more from groups he doesn't like and giving to groups he does like. Oh yeah, that and change. And hope. And hope for change. |
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Post by HawksStock on Mar 31, 2008 9:03:39 GMT -6
His administration is not as bad as the Grand administration.
Though I'm pretty upset at the price of the Iraq war. I wish it was about oil, I wish we were taking it for payment. Keep in mind many Iraqis thought we "owed" it to them to oust Saddam. I'm also against funding a free police force them. 3 Trillion goes a long way.
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Post by socal on Mar 31, 2008 9:13:59 GMT -6
If you think this is bad under Bush, just wait for Obama. The guy's entire campaign is based on taking even more from groups he doesn't like and giving to groups he does like. Oh yeah, that and change. And hope. And hope for change. I guess I missed the parts of his campaign where he promises to forcibly tell a major US city to sell their land to a friend at a sweet price - or he would remove their federal aid. Care to provide me a link/article? |
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Post by mattahawk on Mar 31, 2008 13:07:44 GMT -6
I voted for bush, twice.  There are also stories I have heard about bush's cronyism in the Dept' of Ag. Don't even bring up the Att' General. I don't remember the whole story about him appointing the guy to the Dept' of Ag but I do remember it pissed me off. As far as Obama goes Billary made a good point about him even if it was just 1 good point. She said he is building his campaing on promises not facts. Or something like that. I'll admit this though. When it comes to speeches that guys got it. Compare him to Knute Rockne or Ronald Reagan was a great speech giver. Anyways no doubt Billary knows the issues better than Obama but I don't trust that bitch any farther than I could throw her. |
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Post by NotMyKid on Mar 31, 2008 13:15:24 GMT -6
As far as Obama goes Billary made a good point about him even if it was just 1 good point. She said he is building his campaing on promises not facts. Or something like that. I'll admit this though. When it comes to speeches that guys got it. Compare him to Knute Rockne or Ronald Reagan was a great speech giver. Anyways no doubt Billary knows the issues better than Obama but I don't trust that bitch any farther than I could throw her. Every candidate makes promises that they can't keep including Hillary, Obama, and McCain. That's how it has always been. You feed the people full of crap and hope most of them forget what you promised to get elected. Just ask the Dems that got elected in 06 most of them got elected by promising the first thing they would do is get the troops out of Iraq. Last time I checked that hasn't happened. |
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Post by socal on Mar 31, 2008 15:26:24 GMT -6
Just ask the Dems that got elected in 06 most of them got elected by promising the first thing they would do is get the troops out of Iraq. Last time I checked that hasn't happened. Don't get me started on the parliamentary BS thrown out by the frigging GOP, nor the powers given to Bush by the Constitution... But here's a few to begin with: - www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2008/3/9/13810/76680-The January 2007 "change of heart" from the GOP on the filibuster. www.mcclatchydc.com/226/story/18218.html |
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Post by NOTTHOR on Mar 31, 2008 21:54:00 GMT -6
If you think this is bad under Bush, just wait for Obama. The guy's entire campaign is based on taking even more from groups he doesn't like and giving to groups he does like. Oh yeah, that and change. And hope. And hope for change. I guess I missed the parts of his campaign where he promises to forcibly tell a major US city to sell their land to a friend at a sweet price - or he would remove their federal aid. Care to provide me a link/article? I guess I missed the part of the story where W told anyone to do the same. A serious question here - has any lib on this board ever managed anything more meaningful than the fryer at McDonald's? Yes, underlings fuck up. The guy's resigning. He prolly got a call from someone in the White House letting him know that he is going to get shitcanned. Plus, he'll prolly wind up in front of a federal judge, hopefully it's not in front of some soft on crime Clinton appointee. However, the real crime here is that HUD still exists. It is a vestige of the failed war on poverty enacted by Lyndon Johnson. It gave us some of Chicago's most blighted shitholes. It was dubbed the worst landlord in America in a story by the most liberal rag in America, the Village Voice: www.villagevoice.com/nyclife/0627,smith,73729,15.html If libs really wanted change, they would streamline the government so that when someone who they think is a moron who was stupid enough to get elected twice can't eff as many things up. But then someone might have to come up with rent money, so that's a bad idea. I shudder to think of what the hell the federal government is likely to look like when the favors to Barry get called in. If you guys think he doesn't owe some serious favors to some seriously corrupt MFers, you've never been to Chicago, soon home to the nation's highest sales tax. |
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