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Post by NOTTHOR on Mar 27, 2008 21:16:26 GMT -6
Hey barber, autolykos, Iafan, Iammrhawkeyes, drakebulldog and others - do you guys have a contingency plan in place if a Dem wins the general election?
Short of buying a leather strap to bite on for 4 years (or in the alternative, borrowing one from one of the resident libs) whilst your posterior orifice is worked over because you are too "rich," what do you plan on doing?
In my case, I think I will head back to the land of the rising sun and hope I don't trip whatever anti ex-pat tax plan the Dems implement. At least over there I am clear of Social Security and can opt out of the local retirement Ponzi Scheme so I'll be a little better off, but on the other hand, it'll cost me over a grand to get back for a Hawks game. Hopefully Delaney gets off his ass and gets the BTN rolling on the internets.
Of course, with the "free" health care over there, I'll have to go to freaking Thailand or India if I need serious medical attention, but I'll do my best to stay healthy and without working for free from January through June, I'll probably have a lot less stress.
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Post by GhostMod 5000 on Mar 28, 2008 6:19:18 GMT -6
Quit bitching Alec Baldwin. You sound like those pussy libs who promised to move after Bush was elected.
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Post by bucketochicken on Mar 28, 2008 6:23:44 GMT -6
Shouldn't it be a faux-leather strap? Cows have rights too, you know.
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Post by socal on Mar 28, 2008 7:34:27 GMT -6
Waaah...
While it would take a lot of effort to be remotely close to the cocks you were over the past few years, if you turn off Fox or Rush --- and watch what goes on (including actually reading legislation/proposals)... you might be pleasantly surprised. Especially when compared to the current fucktard.
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Post by NOTTHOR on Mar 28, 2008 7:47:19 GMT -6
Ghost - Alec Baldwin is a white flag waving America loathing liberal elite. He wanted to leave America because he hates it. I don't hate it. I love it. I will still love it no matter who becomes President. Having looked at some Barry's and Hillary's wealth redistribution plans, which they seek to fund on my shoulders, it is apparent to me that the cost for me to continue providing the same service to the economy that I am providing now will increase dramatically. I can get the same service in another place for less money, and since my labor is my only means of production and it requires my body to physically move, I will have to become domiciled in another country. High costs in the US have driven many of our largest companies to look for cost cutting opportunities overseas. I will do the same.
socal - I have read the proposals that the Dems have advocated. Some of them are fine. Most of them are economic populism aimed directly at divesting a very narrow subset of the population, of which I happen to belong to, of a material amount of income. If I can go to Japan, get an expat package and avoid the high cost of carrying on my business that the regime change will likely bring, I will be even better off. The Dems mantra is always "the rich assholes aren't going to stop working just because we tax the hell out of them." Yeah right, work's a little slow right now with the credit market slump, but when the M&A marekt is humming, it's like I have 2 or 2 and a half full time jobs. If Hillary/Barry thinks guys like me will keep working like dogs so we can pay an extra 10 grand a year in taxes, they are sorely mistaken.
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Post by 101 on Mar 28, 2008 7:56:04 GMT -6
Ghost - Alec Baldwin is a white flag waving America loathing liberal elite. He wanted to leave America because he hates it. I don't hate it. I love it. I will still love it no matter who becomes President. Having looked at some Barry's and Hillary's wealth redistribution plans, which they seek to fund on my shoulders, it is apparent to me that the cost for me to continue providing the same service to the economy that I am providing now will increase dramatically. I can get the same service in another place for less money, and bince my labor is my only means of production and it requires my body to physically move, I will have to become domiciled in another country. High costs in the US have driven many of our largest companies to look for cost cutting opportunities overseas. I will do the same. socal - I have read the proposals that the Dems have advocated. Some of them are fine. Most of them are economic populism aimed directly at divesting a very narrow subset of the population, of which I happen to belong to, of a material amount of income. If I can go to Japan, get an expat package and avoid the high cost of carrying on my business that the regime change will likely bring, I will be even better off. The Dems mantra is always "the rich assholes aren't going to stop working just because we tax the hell out of them." Yeah right, work's a little slow right now with the credit market slump, but when the M&A marekt is humming, it's like I have 2 or 2 and a half full time jobs. If Hillary/Barry thinks guys like me will keep working like dogs so we can pay an extra 10 grand a year in taxes, they are sorely mistaken. . BTR....you are correct. Maybe you should offer to take a pay cut to reduce the costs of doing business in America? |
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Post by NOTTHOR on Mar 28, 2008 8:04:58 GMT -6
There are way too many lawyers in the country. If America's companies want guys with no M&A experience who graduated last in their class from Hofstra to run their deals, they can save a lot of cash. They can also outsource legal work to India, which is happening all the time. Truth is, America's biggest companies don't want their multimillion or multibillion dollar deal to get fucked up and they will pay whatever it takes to get it done. I could take a pay cut if I wanted to, but the partners would still whore bill me out at the same unconscionably high rate as before.
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Post by lpcalihawk on Mar 28, 2008 8:21:31 GMT -6
What did all the wingnuts say when a few way far out liberals suggested doing the same when Bushie was elected?  ? "Don't let the door hit you in the ass on the way out" "Love it or leave it" ETC. |
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Post by NOTTHOR on Mar 28, 2008 8:32:25 GMT -6
Don't worry, I'll still love it. The only difference is that the liberals bitched and bitched and bitched, but none of them left. They stayed here and started move on and other failed leftist radical organizations. I have a visa to live in Japan. I have enough cash to buy a plane ticket. I have the skills to get a well-paying job there. I can somewhat speak the language. The libs didn't have any of that shit, but with their blame America give me a handout attitude, they would have fit right in in France or Canada, or more ideally, French-Canada. A guy like me, on the other hand, is an ambassador of goodwill for the US, as I volunteered to teach kids English and helped spread the idea that Americans are good people rather than accepting the defeatist America loathing attitude of liberals that everybody hates us. No, the one thing that unites liberals 'round the world is that they all hate America.
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Post by lpcalihawk on Mar 28, 2008 8:34:54 GMT -6
Don't worry, I'll still love it. The only difference is that the liberals bitched and bitched and bitched, but none of them left. They stayed here and started move on and other failed leftist radical organizations. I have a visa to live in Japan. I have enough cash to buy a plane ticket. I have the skills to get a well-paying job there. I can somewhat speak the language. The libs didn't have any of that shit, but with their blame America give me a handout attitude, they would have fit right in in France or Canada, or more ideally, French-Canada. A guy like me, on the other hand, is an ambassador of goodwill for the US, as I volunteered to teach kids English and helped spread the idea that Americans are good people rather than accepting the defeatist America loathing attitude of liberals that everybody hates us. No, the one thing that unites liberals 'round the world is that they all hate America. Yes, all liberals hate America, BTR Pass the bong this way now, pal |
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Post by NOTTHOR on Mar 28, 2008 8:36:15 GMT -6
Sorry, I meant all liberals outside of America, and 99.8% of liberals in the US. I shouldn't speak in absolutes like that. I apologize lp.
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Post by bucketochicken on Mar 28, 2008 8:40:02 GMT -6
Most of us stayed because we also love our country. Saying that non-conservatives hate America simply because of a different ideology is well, un-American.
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Post by NOTTHOR on Mar 28, 2008 8:49:07 GMT -6
Don't lie to yourself. Most liberals stayed because they realized that their dream of moving away would never become a reality because most of the world's countries do not welcome foreigners, especially the unwashed dirty hippie type. Plus, when they saw the paperwork that would have to be filed to move to a foreign country, they took a collective bong rip and said "Fuck it man."
Not all non-conservative's hate America. Just most liberals. There's a difference.
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Post by GhostMod 5000 on Mar 28, 2008 8:49:27 GMT -6
Well, in Japan, about 7% of your gross pay is taken out for social security there. Of course, there is an agreement that you could live in Japan and still pay and receive your American SS benefits there.
Or you can stop with the histrionics, and put up or shut up.
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Post by lpcalihawk on Mar 28, 2008 9:03:11 GMT -6
99.8% of conservatives hate black children under the age of 10. Rudy and Tootie better stay away from the suburbs.
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Post by socal on Mar 28, 2008 9:08:25 GMT -6
Makes perfect sense in a conservative mind... Fully endorse - and cheer on an unrecoverable endeavor that costs US Taxpayers (in straight up costs) roughly $19.6 million per HOUR. Whine and threaten to leave the country when that money is proposed to be spent on the US citizens themselves. How does that 80's phrase go again? Derrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr......  |
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Post by GhostMod 5000 on Mar 28, 2008 10:20:44 GMT -6
I beleive that Milton Freidman said that deficit spending is just another form of taxation.
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Post by NOTTHOR on Mar 28, 2008 10:21:46 GMT -6
Wow ghost, it almost sounds like you lived in Japan. There are various systems of government and private pensions o'er there. You can opt out of the system by going to the municpal building and checking a box on your what is essentially your W-4. It's pretty easy.
socal - Yeah, that sucks that some people cheered on the start of an unrecoverable endeavor. Good thing I wasn't here demanding blood when you and your world police allies decided that going to Iraq was a good plan. Durkdurkistan might also have weapons of mass destruction, we better go after them next if Communist News Network can adequately scare you just once more.
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Post by GhostMod 5000 on Mar 28, 2008 10:23:42 GMT -6
No Ralph, acctually, the government subsidised private businesses employee pensions, so you are paying into your own retirement, no matter what.
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Post by NOTTHOR on Mar 28, 2008 10:42:07 GMT -6
Well ghost, I'd like to see what your source for that is. After living there and never paying nearly what I paid in the US in income taxes in terms of percentage or the unconscionable sales tax that America's localities charge (5% in Japan), I'm pretty sure you don't know WTF you are talking about. There are private and public pensions. You are totally free to opt out of either one. Everyone I knew who was under 30 and had a decent IQ opted out because they could see the insolvency on the horizon. Japan collects a huge chunk of its tax revenue from consumption taxes. That creates an incentive for people to save. America collects a huge chunk of its taxes from wages. That creates a disincentive to work.
Our country will need to keep an eye on them. They are ahead of us in terms of old age liabilities coming due, however, the tremendous rate of personal savings over there should help them navigate the situation. The entitlement attitude that liberals have engrained in America has wiped out a lot of people's desire to save. It's all about a bigger house, a bigger car, a better cell phone.
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Post by GhostMod 5000 on Mar 28, 2008 10:58:21 GMT -6
I think I do know wtf I am talking about. You pay for it indirectly. EVERY SINGLE EMPLOYER in Japan has to pay taxes for national pensions, health insurance, and unemployment/workers comp. And trust me, the money your employer was paying for that was coming out of your paycheck before you even knew you had it.
Also, looking at the Japanese tax charts from 2007, if you make over 90,000,000 yen, which I assume is paltry compared to your current salary, you pay 33% on your income tax. In the US, a person making the equivilent of 90,000,000 would pay 25% for federal income taxes.
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Post by socal on Mar 28, 2008 11:13:40 GMT -6
In the US, a person making the equivilent of 90,000,000 would pay 25% for federal income taxes. ...Yen... |
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Post by NOTTHOR on Mar 28, 2008 11:38:17 GMT -6
Okay ghost, you read something on the internets and now you are an expert. Here is precisely what happened with me.
Step 1 - find job and discuss benefits - company had private insurance that allowed you to go to hospital in Japan for emergency, for serious problem, e.g. cancer or something seriously wrong, you go to India, Australia or Thailand.
Step 2 - go to shiyaksho (city hall) a few blocks from my house. Check box opting out of "free" healthcare and opting out of both pension schemes.
Step 3 - Start work.
Step 4 - Collect paycheck.
The employer only withholds that crap if you opt in. My employer said: "You get 5,000 yen per hour. If you opt in to the nenkin system, we take out 80,000 yen per month from your check. If you opt in to the health care system, we take 50,000 yen per month from your check." I kept my roughly $1300 a month and used the private catastrophe insurance that cost me $100 a month. I saved the rest to help fund law school.
The expat packages generally come with a 7-10 grand a month housing stipend that is not income. They also come with free private schooling for your kids in the American school. The marginal level of tax is higher, but the items included in income are different. When backing out the $20+k a year it costs to send a kid to private school in the US and accounting for projected increases in SS taxes and the ridiculous sales and property taxes in America's cities, Tokyo looks better and better. Plus, I can go to the store and buy mescalin or peyote any time I want it and buy beer from a machine at the train station and drink it on the platform. Big government types like yourself refuse to accept the notion that the freedoms that have been removed by the nany state do exist in other places.
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Post by detlef on Mar 28, 2008 12:27:56 GMT -6
I plan to hump Todd Stroger so I can get a high-paying job at taxpayer expense.
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Post by barber on Mar 28, 2008 17:28:16 GMT -6
Great question BTR. Personally, I don't blame you for taking the expat package - even if justice is served and McCain wins. It will help your family and that is the bottom line.
Here's my contingency plan:
1. Support my US Senator and encourage him to filibuster any attempt to raise taxes. Also encourage him to pronounce Barry's budget DOA.
2. Shelter any income using legal vehicles. I will also shift any investments to international opportunities. I'm happy to pay my share, but we have gone well beyond that milestone this year. I will also sell many long term holdings before capital gains taxes spike. Since it was reported yesterday that Barry and his wife don't have retirement plans, I'm sure those are at risk as well.
3. Rethink my plans to expand either of the two businesses I own (employing over 100 individuals). All pay increases will be suspended in anticipation of the implementation of all of the campaign promises made by Barry (federal minimum wage, increases in unemployment benefits, etc.).
4. I will also make contributions to charities of my choice. They should suffer only because Barry prefers to redistribute income rather than use charitable giving (as evidenced by his platform and his personal behavior).
Finally, to Socal. Trust me my friend when I tell you that I have read many, many legislative proposals (in a prior life, it was what I did every day of the year). I specifically read the entire Clinton healt plan back in the 1990's. When you do that, one thing you learn is that the words on paper written by legal hacks in Washington may or may not be what you want implemented outside the beltway.
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