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Post by bucketochicken on May 2, 2008 10:12:47 GMT -6
Re: Fact #3 - why?
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Post by Dr. Doofenshmirtz (Heywood) on May 2, 2008 10:18:41 GMT -6
I'm not answering for Iowafan but I do feel the same way. Why? Because back in the day people were preaching another ice age and that never happened in the time frame they said it would. It's all speculation.
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Post by socal on May 2, 2008 10:30:56 GMT -6
In the meantime, you don't see me preaching for anyone to do what I'm not willing to do. I call Bullshit. Have Gore & Edwards not spent a crapload of $ into "Green" technologies? Wasn't every $ Gore made from his movie donated for these technologies? Does the reduction of greenhouse gases because of the use of those technologies - more than balance out the greenhouse gases their "gargantuan mansions" and "private jets" produce? (btw, could you show me a picture of their private jets?) And whether accurate or not (as I don't live with them), here is an year old "update" on what Gore has done: Perhaps I'll temper my call of Bullshit... as you do seem to promote intercourse with fat women & actually DO promote the ignorance of "C"onservatives - while being ignorant yourself...
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Post by Norm "racerhawk" Parker on May 2, 2008 10:40:01 GMT -6
Ghostie and lpcalihawk, you can both get on my left nut. I have no problem with admitting when I was wrong. I am a pretty humble guy. I have been wrong at least my fair share of times. I wasn't always the brilliant guy I am now (it's f'ing humor moron). You guys just have thin skin. You love to dish it out but having a problem taking it. My biggest issue is with the following facts: Fact #1: There are people who preach that global warming exists. I don't think anyone on this board will dispute that those people exist. Fact #2: There are people who preach that global warming was created by man. I don't think anyone on this board will dispute that those people exist either. Fact #3: I don't believe global warming exists and there are many others like me that don't believe it either. Again, I don't think anyone on this board will dispute that people with my beliefs exist. Fact #4: People included in #1 and #2 choose to how they live their lives. Fact #5: People included in #3 also choose how they live their lives. Fact #6 is where the problem comes up. Fact #6: All people, on average, from facts #1-#5 live their lives the very same way. We all drive cars and trucks. We all barbecue with charcoal, wood or gas. We all buy clothes. We all read the newspaper. We all use air conditioners and heaters. Even the degrees in which we lives are lives are, on average, the very same. My problem is that people preaching man made global warming to me live their lives no differently than I do. Those of us who buy small cars and trucks do so for one reason and one reason only. The monetary costs of driving larger vehicles. Kennedy spouts off preaching of wind power, yet won't allow it in his back yard. Al Gore and John Edwards preach global warming and the need for energy savings, yet continue to fly in their own private jets and live in gargantuan mansions. One day, the cost of fuel may get high enough for me to buy a smaller vehicle. In the meantime, you don't see me preaching for anyone to do what I'm not willing to do. You again do not state your rationale regarding your "beliefs" that global warming does not exist, which is in contrast with those dang scientists. We all CAN do something to reduce our impact, don't you think? I've told people what I do, and I want to encourage others to consider doing the same. This has nothing to do with Left versus Right in my opinion. You are trying your damndest to make it just a war of words, but trying to reduce our collective impact can and will make a difference. I'm not personally attacking your beliefs, I just don't understand them. Again, I'm not disputing that you've made personal choices, and that you have the right to do so. I just don't understand how a true patriot wants to trash the environment. A true patriot, such as your god fearing self, might want to decrease our DEPENDENCE ON ARAB OIL. Why wouldn't you want to help with those things? You never answer any direct questions. I am making choices... I know BTR (an infamous free market capitalist) is also making choices to help the enviornment. This is not a partisan issue, man.
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Post by Norm "racerhawk" Parker on May 2, 2008 10:42:03 GMT -6
Yes, why? ?? We're waiting for your wisdom. Proceed.
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Post by GhostMod 5000 on May 2, 2008 14:15:48 GMT -6
I spend pretty much zero time worrying about global warming. Seriously.
However, to SRH's point, I do practice conservation for many reasons, one of which is to keep a few of my dimes in some Arabs pocket. The less money I am sending to some Whabbhi Saudi monarch, the better.
Also, I started practicing conservation for practical reasons. I use CFB lightbulbs because they use less energy. I drive slow in my Honda Civic to save gas. I only have one car because we can live with one, and two are very expensive. I keep the heat at 64 because I have slippers and a blanket. None of this is based on global warming. It is based on common sense and simple sacrifices.
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Post by Norm "racerhawk" Parker on May 2, 2008 16:07:49 GMT -6
I spend pretty much zero time worrying about global warming. Seriously. However, to SRH's point, I do practice conservation for many reasons, one of which is to keep a few of my dimes in some Arabs pocket. The less money I am sending to some Whabbhi Saudi monarch, the better. Also, I started practicing conservation for practical reasons. I use CFB lightbulbs because they use less energy. I drive slow in my Honda Civic to save gas. I only have one car because we can live with one, and two are very expensive. I keep the heat at 64 because I have slippers and a blanket. None of this is based on global warming. It is based on common sense and simple sacrifices. Your simple sacrifices are going to save you some serious coin this year.
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Post by NOTTHOR on May 3, 2008 7:07:41 GMT -6
I think everyone believes in climate change, the temperature of the Earth changes every year. Last year, it allegedly went down. However, not everyone is willing to concede that the Earth's temperature is based on one variable. Anyone who understands regression analysis understands that just because two variables have moved with each other does not ipso facto prove that one variable is responsible for the movement in the other. The alleged scientific consensus is great - is that the same group of scientists who gave us the prediction for the worst hurricane season ever the year after Katrina? Oops. The scientists in that group stand firmly on the shoulders of thier predecessors, who once had a consensus that gave us the eugenics movement and the ideas of the racial superiority of northern Europeans.
I'm more concerned by "We must take drastic action now" and "the time for debate is over" statements than I am by a slight upward trend in worldwide temperature.
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Post by GhostMod 5000 on May 3, 2008 7:53:20 GMT -6
Why the hell do you keep comparing scientists with Nazis?
It makes it hard to seriously consider the point you are trying to make.
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Post by NOTTHOR on May 3, 2008 8:26:02 GMT -6
What the hell are you talking about? Do you think the Nazis had a monopoly on eugenics or the idea that northern Europeans were superior to others? Those ideas were advocated by big government types and were very prevalent in America long before the Nazis were formed. The point is that blind adherence to "scientific consensus" has at times in human history had a terrible impact on humanity.
Like I said above, America could cut its carbon emissions in half, but the liberal elite must understand that that will mean a drastic drop in standard of living and it will have a horrible impact on this nation's poor and elderly fixed incomers.
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Post by socal on May 3, 2008 10:27:19 GMT -6
I think everyone believes in climate change, the temperature of the Earth changes every year. Last year, it allegedly went down. However, not everyone is willing to concede that the Earth's temperature is based on one variable. Anyone who understands regression analysis understands that just because two variables have moved with each other does not ipso facto prove that one variable is responsible for the movement in the other. The alleged scientific consensus is great - is that the same group of scientists who gave us the prediction for the worst hurricane season ever the year after Katrina? Oops. The scientists in that group stand firmly on the shoulders of thier predecessors, who once had a consensus that gave us the eugenics movement and the ideas of the racial superiority of northern Europeans. I'm more concerned by "We must take drastic action now" and "the time for debate is over" statements than I am by a slight upward trend in worldwide temperature. Lucky for you... you can utilize the North-West Passage in your search for the scientists that promote action. And once you're done convincing them they are full of crap because of overwhelming analysis... you can start a business that offers advice to parents - explaining why Santa, his elves & reindeer all drowned. abcnews.go.com/Technology/story?id=4728737&page=1
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Post by NOTTHOR on May 3, 2008 10:36:37 GMT -6
Oh no, North Pole ice might melt. I hope we're okay.Let's wave the magic government wand and build a freon based cooling system to ensure this doesn't happen. There must be a panacea we can enact today to prevent the possibility of maybe the North Pole ice possibly melting this summer.
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