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Post by Presidential Immunity Cock on Feb 11, 2015 9:57:50 GMT -6
On their home? Costs have come down a shitload and depending on what incentives your state is you can get a nice system that would provide all your needs for less than 20k, and then the 30% federal subsidy and whatever your state has. Seriously considering it as it would pay for itself in 6-9 years and then free energy after that.
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Post by NOTTHOR on Feb 11, 2015 10:06:21 GMT -6
Brah, I think to get "free" energy, you need both solar and geothermal. The heating and cooling of the house prolly can't be done with solar alone unless you live on the ocean in San Diego or some shit.
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Post by egadsto on Feb 11, 2015 10:20:25 GMT -6
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Post by Presidential Immunity Cock on Feb 11, 2015 10:33:36 GMT -6
Brah, I think to get "free" energy, you need both solar and geothermal. The heating and cooling of the house prolly can't be done with solar alone unless you live on the ocean in San Diego or some shit. Electricity wise, yes. gas, I'd still be calling jans competitor for natural gas in le winter. Not sure on the cost effectiveness on geothermal currently. In Texas we used heat pumps to heat during the winter and it would get cold. Basically, it uses your ac unit to do it.
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Post by GhostMod 5000 on Feb 11, 2015 10:35:50 GMT -6
I run a large marijuana growing operation, and going solar has kept me from spiking the grid and raising eyebrows with the cops.
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Post by Stan's Field on Feb 11, 2015 18:38:50 GMT -6
I run a large marijuana growing operation, and going solar has kept me from spiking the grid and raising eyebrows with the cops. Screenshot taken. Link sent in IM. Feds notified via text, email, PM, phone call, and Skype.
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Post by NotMyKid on Feb 11, 2015 19:03:10 GMT -6
This guy approves of this thread-
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Post by Master Blaster on Feb 11, 2015 19:34:47 GMT -6
Look at the electric bill when sizing out a system. Most systems provide a percentage of coverage. 3,000 kwh is going to cost you. The panels are pretty good now, they will get better. A developer here in Florida is now building communities with solar integrated. That has really made it affordable and the homes are selling fast as shit. Wish more developers out there would do that. Each home comes with lifetime maintenance on the system. You roll the cost into your mortgage so you don't see it. Its fucking smart.
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Post by Solar Stud on Feb 11, 2015 22:08:23 GMT -6
On their home? Costs have come down a shitload and depending on what incentives your state is you can get a nice system that would provide all your needs for less than 20k, and then the 30% federal subsidy and whatever your state has. Seriously considering it as it would pay for itself in 6-9 years and then free energy after that. I have a rep coming to do a structural analysis for me on the 16th, so, yes, I'm well down this road. I'm working with these guys out of northern Iowa: www.dasolar.com They handle all legal fees, permits, utility net-metering issues and post-install inspections. Cost is approximately $30K installed,for a 8 KW system. If viable, will sit on my southern-facing garage roof. Includes: 14 panels, Inverter, wiring and conduits. 25 year warranty (meaning at least an 80% solar capacity at the 25 year mark). No increase in USAA homeowners insurance. I run 100 amp service. Fed tax credit of 30% + Iowa tax credit of 18% = 48% credit on 2015 taxes, thus, $15.4K installed. Installed in one day. No state tax on the entire install. Local assessor cannot figure in the system for 5 years regarding property taxes. Fed and Iowa rebates end 12/31/16. Solar costs have dropped by 80% since 2008 when the Fed/State credits were enacted. It's a perfect storm to install right now. Company will finance the $15.4K (and will basically ignore the other 48% because the tax credit will come through). Finance = interest free loan over 7 years I believe. I used approx 9800 KwH, yearly on average, the past 3 years. About $110/month. Payback = 11.6 years. But probably sooner since all monopoly-driven power companies raise rates yearly. And that equates to higher net-metering payback. I'm also asking for a $1000 un-install/re-install when I have to re-roof the garage, which is going to be far sooner than 25 years. As mentioned, payback also depends on what sort of net-metering price the Durant utility has to pay me for putting excess power back on the grid. This is a potential sticking point since Durant has no current net-metering policy and I was given a rather frosty answer of "no" when I called to find out. No matter. My rep deals with this all the time and has put in numerous net-metering policies. I'll be the first on my block (and in town) to watch my meter run backwards. And yeah, I'll post both pictures and newspaper pictures when they install it in the summer.
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Post by Earl Slick on Feb 11, 2015 22:14:41 GMT -6
Mason City. ROFLMAO
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Post by Solar Stud on Feb 11, 2015 22:20:19 GMT -6
LOL...yeah...I had to change the name and dumb-down the website cuz M A S O N City kept getting changed to cock city lol
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Post by Solar Stud on Feb 11, 2015 22:36:07 GMT -6
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Post by Presidential Immunity Cock on Feb 11, 2015 23:02:20 GMT -6
I've been researching solar for quite a while, and cost wise, I think that what you are being quoted may be on the high side, depending on if you are going with the highest quality panel on the market right now, that sounds right. Here in my research so far for a 6kwh system it would be about 14-15k installed with install/inverters/rails/etc and then since Ks is fucked up, there is no state rebate on Solar cuz fuck those hippies and libs, ROLL COAL MUTHAFUCKA! But I'd still get the 30% federal credit, which is damn nice, and KS has rather decent net metering rules in place, so the electric company would pay retail electric price, plus avoidance fees (Which is the cost to run the business that they add in since they aren't using any of their manpower, or money to generate that energy. Also, the cost of the property improvement to the home can never be calculated into the property taxes which would save some money over the long term. So basically for me with everything installed and set up and after my tax credit I'd be looking around 10k, which turns into a shorter payback from the costs and doesn't really factor in how much would get sold back to the electric company.
I briefly looked at lease programs, but shit, that's still not a good deal although it's better than being stuck with the power company.
On a side note, you live in M A s on Shitty?
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Post by Presidential Immunity Cock on Feb 11, 2015 23:05:57 GMT -6
And damn, 8kw? That's a pretty beefy system and you must use a shit load of electric. And I'd probably also look at replacing the water heater and installing in a instant on type of electric system so I could get away from gas as well. How does the electric company up there handle paybacks on your electric usage? Do they pay you monthly, or do they just cut a check once a quarter or whatever?
Also, how many sunny days do you get up there? Here it's pretty decent at 225 days of sun on average (That's assuming 4+ hours of direct sunlight those days)
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Post by Solar Stud on Feb 11, 2015 23:17:28 GMT -6
I've been researching solar for quite a while, and cost wise, I think that what you are being quoted may be on the high side, depending on if you are going with the highest quality panel on the market right now, that sounds right. Here in my research so far for a 6kwh system it would be about 14-15k installed with install/inverters/rails/etc and then since Ks is fucked up, there is no state rebate on Solar cuz fuck those hippies and libs, ROLL COAL MUTHAFUCKA! But I'd still get the 30% federal credit, which is damn nice, and KS has rather decent net metering rules in place, so the electric company would pay retail electric price, plus avoidance fees (Which is the cost to run the business that they add in since they aren't using any of their manpower, or money to generate that energy. Also, the cost of the property improvement to the home can never be calculated into the property taxes which would save some money over the long term. So basically for me with everything installed and set up and after my tax credit I'd be looking around 10k, which turns into a shorter payback from the costs and doesn't really factor in how much would get sold back to the electric company. I briefly looked at lease programs, but shit, that's still not a good deal although it's better than being stuck with the power company. On a side note, you live in M A s on Shitty? Yeah, I think I'm probably getting a bit of a high-side quote, but, nothing's been signed. And there are other dealers too. I need an 8 KW system based upon my usage. But you're right, there are different quality grades of solar panels, like anything else in life. Considering the dealer I've been talking to has a 80% efficient in 25 years warranty, that's pretty damned impressive quality. That does suck KS doesn't offer a state tax credit. Your coal-loving-liberals sucked somebody off in the legislature to get that crap passed. I've read all the arguments why net-metering shouldn't be allowed...us solar weenies don't pay for the upkeep of the grid. Well, we provide power at peak times locally, so the util's don't have to pull power from outside the local grid, etc. It's actually cheaper for them to use local excess solar. But they fight on against the renewable energies. Like the dinosaurs vs the mammals. Ruled the electrical world for 100+ years, but their usefulness, and time, is coming to an end. They need to understand their current business model is doomed to obsolescence. The quicker they embrace the emerging technologies and diversify (accept and incorporate) the longer they can maintain themselves. End of rant/go solar/Go Hawks
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Post by Solar Stud on Feb 11, 2015 23:24:10 GMT -6
And damn, 8kw? That's a pretty beefy system and you must use a shit load of electric. And I'd probably also look at replacing the water heater and installing in a instant on type of electric system so I could get away from gas as well. How does the electric company up there handle paybacks on your electric usage? Do they pay you monthly, or do they just cut a check once a quarter or whatever? Also, how many sunny days do you get up there? Here it's pretty decent at 225 days of sun on average (That's assuming 4+ hours of direct sunlight those days) Yeah, there's going to be a lot of discussion regarding system size when the rep is here. I'd rather have a larger than needed system that I can grow into than under-install and elongate the payback process as well. We get 194 sun days per year in Durant, IA. And yep, right on, I'l be doing a new electrical water heater. As stated before, my local util doesn't have a net-metering (excess energy payback) policy yet. Most of the rest of the state's utils offer a monthly rolling credit. If you run a credit one month, they'll apply that to your next month's bill. There isn't any quarterly payback to my knowledge. This is an interesting article of a Dubuque Util trying to squelch a solar expansion and getting squashed in the process. The local Util huff and puffed and basically held a kangaroo court, abolishing the solar initiative. Solar appealed and the Polk County District Court overturned the local board's decision. The Util huff and puffed again, gathered its henchmen of lawyers and took it to the Iowa Supreme Court and got bitch-slapped 4-2. Media-spin press releases ad naseum by the util resulted. Back to the drawing board dinosaurs. Truly, a sign of things to come. grist.org/climate-energy/in-iowa-solar-is-fighting-back-against-utilities-and-winning/
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Post by Presidential Immunity Cock on Feb 11, 2015 23:30:38 GMT -6
Well, your electric company sucks ballsacks then. They should be happy to pay you a fair price for that energy as they do not put anything into the cost of the system, nor are they expending any money to capture it. I'd probably recommend that you contact a couple of other trusted installers so you can compare and get the best deal. I'm sure that it's a damn nice system and since you are up further north I get needing a bigger system in place that you can grow into. Especially with fewer sunny days and hours a day throughout the year.
What I want to do is to figure it all out right and end up getting a system slightly above my current usage, but not too much. a 5k system would hit about right on the mark, but a 6 k would give me a better overall coverage for higher usage months like in the summer. I don't really see much benefit in the extra cost of jumping up further than that right now. Of course, I haven't bought the house yet, but will be this summer. And then, I have to talk le wife into getting aboard Solar and going that route over not having it. The tax credit will speak huge to her, as well the net metering when she understands that we'd actually get a check FROM the power company, and not a bill.
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Post by Presidential Immunity Cock on Feb 11, 2015 23:38:01 GMT -6
I've been researching solar for quite a while, and cost wise, I think that what you are being quoted may be on the high side, depending on if you are going with the highest quality panel on the market right now, that sounds right. Here in my research so far for a 6kwh system it would be about 14-15k installed with install/inverters/rails/etc and then since Ks is fucked up, there is no state rebate on Solar cuz fuck those hippies and libs, ROLL COAL MUTHAFUCKA! But I'd still get the 30% federal credit, which is damn nice, and KS has rather decent net metering rules in place, so the electric company would pay retail electric price, plus avoidance fees (Which is the cost to run the business that they add in since they aren't using any of their manpower, or money to generate that energy. Also, the cost of the property improvement to the home can never be calculated into the property taxes which would save some money over the long term. So basically for me with everything installed and set up and after my tax credit I'd be looking around 10k, which turns into a shorter payback from the costs and doesn't really factor in how much would get sold back to the electric company. I briefly looked at lease programs, but shit, that's still not a good deal although it's better than being stuck with the power company. On a side note, you live in M A s on Shitty? Yeah, I think I'm probably getting a bit of a high-side quote, but, nothing's been signed. And there are other dealers too. I need an 8 KW system based upon my usage. But you're right, there are different quality grades of solar panels, like anything else in life. Considering the dealer I've been talking to has a 80% efficient in 25 years warranty, that's pretty damned impressive quality. That does suck KS doesn't offer a state tax credit. Your coal-loving-liberals sucked somebody off in the legislature to get that crap passed.I've read all the arguments why net-metering shouldn't be allowed...us solar weenies don't pay for the upkeep of the grid. Well, we provide power at peak times locally, so the util's don't have to pull power from outside the local grid, etc. It's actually cheaper for them to use local excess solar. But they fight on against the renewable energies. Like the dinosaurs vs the mammals. Ruled the electrical world for 100+ years, but their usefulness, and time, is coming to an end. They need to understand their current business model is doomed to obsolescence. The quicker they embrace the emerging technologies and diversify (accept and incorporate) the longer they can maintain themselves. End of rant/go solar/Go Hawks Well, to be honest, this state is fucked up politically. You have far too many Christian Conservatives who vote for R's the majority of the time just because they are a R and the D's are fucking evil liberal taxers! Brownback is a horrid Gov, yet he won re-election because of those rural rubes and the "Stay out of muh church, guns, and fuck the gays" tards. And like most politicians, they are all paid off by the rich, especially the Koch's and usually whomever they back the idiots in the state will because they are rich and if they follow their recommendations they may get rich someday too.
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Post by Stan's Field on Feb 12, 2015 1:31:52 GMT -6
My house runs on nuclear. I bought an unlicensed reactor online from a reputable vendor out of Tajikistan. He had like a 88% approval rating. And with free shipping i just couldn't refuse.......
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Post by Presidential Immunity Cock on Feb 12, 2015 1:56:47 GMT -6
What does our resident Baller Chuck think of it? Would you put such a thing on your McMansion?
And Link, you'll probably get testicular cancer from the newculear power. Especially since you tend to hump the shit out of everything with a hole.
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Post by Stan's Field on Feb 12, 2015 2:36:43 GMT -6
What does our resident Baller Chuck think of it? Would you put such a thing on your McMansion? And Link, you'll probably get testicular cancer from the newculear power. Especially since you tend to hump the shit out of everything with a hole. Well. All good points i guess..... I'll review and follow up on this.
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Post by socal on Feb 12, 2015 6:04:58 GMT -6
On their home? Costs have come down a shitload and depending on what incentives your state is you can get a nice system that would provide all your needs for less than 20k, and then the 30% federal subsidy and whatever your state has. Seriously considering it as it would pay for itself in 6-9 years and then free energy after that. I have a rep coming to do a structural analysis for me on the 16th, so, yes, I'm well down this road. I'm working with these guys out of northern Iowa: www.dasolar.com They handle all legal fees, permits, utility net-metering issues and post-install inspections. Cost is approximately $30K installed,for a 8 KW system. If viable, will sit on my southern-facing garage roof. Includes: 14 panels, Inverter, wiring and conduits. 25 year warranty (meaning at least an 80% solar capacity at the 25 year mark). No increase in USAA homeowners insurance. I run 100 amp service. Fed tax credit of 30% + Iowa tax credit of 18% = 48% credit on 2015 taxes, thus, $15.4K installed. Installed in one day. No state tax on the entire install. Local assessor cannot figure in the system for 5 years regarding property taxes. Fed and Iowa rebates end 12/31/16. Solar costs have dropped by 80% since 2008 when the Fed/State credits were enacted. It's a perfect storm to install right now. Company will finance the $15.4K (and will basically ignore the other 48% because the tax credit will come through). Finance = interest free loan over 7 years I believe. I used approx 9800 KwH, yearly on average, the past 3 years. About $110/month. Payback = 11.6 years. But probably sooner since all monopoly-driven power companies raise rates yearly. And that equates to higher net-metering payback. I'm also asking for a $1000 un-install/re-install when I have to re-roof the garage, which is going to be far sooner than 25 years. As mentioned, payback also depends on what sort of net-metering price the Durant utility has to pay me for putting excess power back on the grid. This is a potential sticking point since Durant has no current net-metering policy and I was given a rather frosty answer of "no" when I called to find out. No matter. My rep deals with this all the time and has put in numerous net-metering policies. I'll be the first on my block (and in town) to watch my meter run backwards. And yeah, I'll post both pictures and newspaper pictures when they install it in the summer. Hippie
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Post by Presidential Immunity Cock on Feb 12, 2015 6:41:08 GMT -6
Hey Seff, (I can't call you by my name, by the way, do Seth's out-number other peeps names on this here site?) I looked up dasolar, and they aren't a northern iowa company, they contract out to local installers to do the quoting for them. I'm sure you could save another 30% on the cost by doing some of the leg work yourself, as in vetting a local solar installer to do an evaluation, ordering a complete kit from www.wholesalesolar.com/gridtie.html and find out how much they would charge to pull all the permits and install. SolarWorld panels are pretty much top of the line, and US made but they do come at somewhat of a premium, you could save some by going with a chinese made panel, but will lose some of the efficiency.
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Post by GhostMod 5000 on Feb 12, 2015 7:00:38 GMT -6
Check the cock city yellow pages.
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Post by NotMyKid on Feb 12, 2015 9:55:49 GMT -6
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