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Post by Presidential Immunity Cock on Aug 5, 2015 2:17:23 GMT -6
Serious question, Seth. What has solar done, or is it doing, to increase capacity? On a hot, cloudy summer day you're still going to need a coal-, hydraulic- or nuclear-powered generator somewhere producing electricity to run your AC and your fridge to keep shit cool or frozen. I honestly don't think that a 1 solution source is out there. Wind power does a great job in many areas, and is very cost effective in areas where there is consistent wind. And even on an overcast day, solar still produces power. Probably not enough to power the grid, but if you plan to build huge solar farms that can service many areas where overcast days aren't near as common it's still a great source for power and would be fairly effective. Upkeep is lower as there are fewer moving pieces. Hell, even in Seattle many companies have been able to generate more than enough power for their building on those overcast days. Yes, they still need electricity when the sun sets, which is why hydroelectric or wind generation is a great combination for them. I think a huge breaking point in the favor for solar will be once battery storage solutions become affordable and efficient. We aren't there with battery back ups yet, but major headway is being made on that front. That is the last key for solar for individual use.
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Post by Stan's Field on Aug 5, 2015 7:18:49 GMT -6
Here we go with this "headway" and "progress" Shit again...
Huh, No credible links to anything that tracks and verifies any significant strides made.....
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Post by A boy named Sioux on Aug 5, 2015 8:12:48 GMT -6
Come on icehead, solar has gone from producing 0% of our electricity to producing twice that much, and it has only taken 50 years to get there.
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Post by Presidential Immunity Cock on Aug 5, 2015 8:20:26 GMT -6
Here we go with this "headway" and "progress" Shit again... Huh, No credible links to anything that tracks and verifies any significant strides made..... Go find sir virgin airlines dude and after you properly suck him off in his tesla he'll tell you all about it. You'll be mad. Very mad, but by the end Branson will yell duuuunnnn currrr!
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Post by Solar Stud on Aug 5, 2015 8:49:38 GMT -6
Serious question, Seth. What has solar done, or is it doing, to increase capacity? On a hot, cloudy summer day you're still going to need a coal-, hydraulic- or nuclear-powered generator somewhere producing electricity to run your AC and your fridge to keep shit cool or frozen. I honestly don't think that a 1 solution source is out there. Wind power does a great job in many areas, and is very cost effective in areas where there is consistent wind. And even on an overcast day, solar still produces power. Probably not enough to power the grid, but if you plan to build huge solar farms that can service many areas where overcast days aren't near as common it's still a great source for power and would be fairly effective. Upkeep is lower as there are fewer moving pieces. Hell, even in Seattle many companies have been able to generate more than enough power for their building on those overcast days. Yes, they still need electricity when the sun sets, which is why hydroelectric or wind generation is a great combination for them. I think a huge breaking point in the favor for solar will be once battery storage solutions become affordable and efficient. We aren't there with battery back ups yet, but major headway is being made on that front. That is the last key for solar for individual use. As tweet stated, I've never advocated a complete transformation to renewables. I have advocated a switch to less of dirty to more of clean...a partnership. I see the future of the elec utilites to that of a steward of the grid, being paid royalties to do so. As it stands now, the elec utils are DIS-incentived to do anything but build more plants, more grid capacity and charge for it. I.e. no incentive to conserve despite the propaganda you get in the mail. They need a fundamental change in their business model. Also as tweet stated, batteries are about 10 years behind in technology....once that catches up, people like me will go off the grid for good. I'll also re-state from previously, I realize in 10 years I'll have a betamax type system installed..ie. the cells will become more efficient (only 12% capture now), smaller, etc. But I'll enjoy the benefits until then and upgrade as appropriate. I'm especially glad I'm shielded now that Obama is going to unleash his EPA Nazi's and probably double the electrical bills in about 5 years.
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Post by The Resistance on Aug 5, 2015 9:03:37 GMT -6
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Post by Solar Stud on Aug 5, 2015 9:25:04 GMT -6
Interesting article. You'll notice they used the term "distributive"....meaning, individual owner/user systems versus non-distributive which are the huge municipality solar arrays which are meant to run entire communities.
The current tax codes for solar tax credits, expires 12/31/16. While a boon for private home-use monies, it lacks in incentive-language regarding non-profits and contractors who might build new construction units with solar or other renewables.
Non-profits, by their nature, do not get one cent of tax credits. They pay full price when installing.
Also, contractors who might want to incorporate renewables into their new construction likewise do not currently qualify for any tax credits. They simply have to up the price of the units by whatever they are charged...i.e. a zero-sum game for them...i.e. no profit incentive for the hassle.
The language in the new rules needs to address this.
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Post by A boy named Sioux on Aug 5, 2015 9:53:18 GMT -6
Seff, if solar is so great, why do they need tax credits to make it worth installing? Call me when one of these systems can stand on its own without gubmint funding.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 5, 2015 10:56:56 GMT -6
Seff, if solar is so great, why do they need tax credits to make it worth installing? Call me when one of these systems can stand on its own without gubmint funding. Haven't made the leap to solar and it may be a while before I do, if I do. But I don't have any more of a problem with tax credits to the consumer for solar than I do, and did, with credits and other incentives for weatherization, energy-efficient windows and doors, high-efficiency heating and cooling units for homeowners and tenants. I understand the reason for them and support them.
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Post by FoxHuntChampion on Aug 5, 2015 11:45:14 GMT -6
I got 8K just for buying a house a while back. I firmly support tax credits.
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Post by Stan's Field on Aug 5, 2015 13:59:39 GMT -6
Come on icehead, solar has gone from producing 0% of our electricity to producing twice that much, and it has only taken 50 years to get there. I can be a real pain sometimes...
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Post by Stan's Field on Aug 5, 2015 14:00:42 GMT -6
Here we go with this "headway" and "progress" Shit again... Huh, No credible links to anything that tracks and verifies any significant strides made..... Go find sir virgin airlines dude and after you properly suck him off in his tesla he'll tell you all about it. You'll be mad. Very mad, but by the end Branson will yell duuuunnnn currrr! I'd much rather one of you solar boyz tell me stuffs about it... I mean, great strides and headway and progress. It's practically fucking free I guess!!!!!!!
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Post by Solar Stud on Aug 5, 2015 19:59:56 GMT -6
Seff, if solar is so great, why do they need tax credits to make it worth installing? Call me when one of these systems can stand on its own without gubmint funding. Haven't made the leap to solar and it may be a while before I do, if I do. But I don't have any more of a problem with tax credits to the consumer for solar than I do, and did, with credits and other incentives for weatherization, energy-efficient windows and doors, high-efficiency heating and cooling units for homeowners and tenants. I understand the reason for them and support them. Agree! I put in a new A/C and furnace and got back $950 from the gas company and $150 from the electric company. Gas, oil coal get massive subsidies now. Why?? Why do they need it? The tax credits on renewables is to jump start a worthwhile sector. I see nothing wrong with it. Better than giving it to PP or some other black hole.
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Post by livingintheusa on Aug 5, 2015 20:16:00 GMT -6
Come on icehead, solar has gone from producing 0% of our electricity to producing twice that much, and it has only taken 50 years to get there. I can be a real pain sometimes... Tell me about it..
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Post by Deleted on Aug 5, 2015 21:18:30 GMT -6
Go find sir virgin airlines dude and after you properly suck him off in his tesla he'll tell you all about it. You'll be mad. Very mad, but by the end Branson will yell duuuunnnn currrr! I'd much rather one of you solar boyz tell me stuffs about it... I mean, great strides and headway and progress. It's practically fucking free I guess!!!!!!!Free like the high-efficiency furnace/air conditioner/water heater in your basement -- is that what you mean?
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Post by Solar Stud on Aug 10, 2015 22:01:59 GMT -6
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Post by The Resistance on Aug 18, 2015 8:22:54 GMT -6
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Post by Solar Stud on Aug 18, 2015 23:20:20 GMT -6
The app is currently only good for the SF, Fresno and Boston areas.
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Post by Stan's Field on Aug 19, 2015 0:05:14 GMT -6
I think I've asked before, but could you please post some numbers regarding:
Your solar setup's expected lifespan, estimated maintenance costs over that lifetime, licensing costs (is that Shit guaranteed not to increase or change?), tax liabilities (after exemptions expire or whatever the Fuck), etc......
I'm serious.
Do you have info on that stuff?
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Post by Solar Stud on Aug 19, 2015 22:22:23 GMT -6
I think I've asked before, but could you please post some numbers regarding: Your solar setup's expected lifespan, estimated maintenance costs over that lifetime, licensing costs (is that Shit guaranteed not to increase or change?), tax liabilities (after exemptions expire or whatever the Fuck), etc...... I'm serious. Do you have info on that stuff? Maintenance is zero, unless there is a huge-ass storm that somehow cracks the tempered glass. Unlikely. Once installed, no costs. 25 year warranty on both the sixteen panels and sixteen micro-inverters. Solar panel warranty is "panels have to work at 80% of original capacity at the end of 25 years." Inverters is yes/no...either they work or they don't. Free hardware/install if either craps out. I bought my system. $9500 after all tax credits next spring. So, no licensing fees. AES picked up any/all fees paid to Durant to have them OK it and inspect it. I did spend $230 for a bi-directional meter. No biggie. You can of course add panels as you go. Same tax credits apply. $800/panel to add on. I'm looking at usage/capture for 12 months first before making that decision. BTW....I used 4880 kilowatt hours last year....have already captured 1025 kilowatt hours since July 2nd. My top capture day (all sun, no clouds) was 29 kilowatt hours. Even when it rains I get capture. On cloudy days, no rain, my capture is around 10-12 kilowatt hours. City assessor cannot re-adjust my home's tax base because of the new system.....five year exemption. Some states it's lifetime, other states don't offer it. Fed tax credit is 30% of final cost. Iowa adds another 18%. (60% of FED rate) Dollar-for-dollar. These expire 12/31/16. Uncertain on how new language will change. Probably status quo. No sales tax when installed BTW. What else....hmmm....lifetime self-monitoring of the system via internet. This is also how AES monitors the system. I have it insured with my USAA homeowners insurance. No extra insurance required...simply added it to the list of 'household items." Estimated payback is $9500/$110 (saved per month) = 7.2 years. When elec rates go up, the payback time of course goes down the same. I also get 3.6 cents/kilowatt hour when I put juice back on the grid. The pundits seem to think a $20K solar system immediately adds $20k to the resale of a home...dunno...too early to say. 50% recapture wouldn't be too far fetched. Anything else?
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Post by Solar Stud on Aug 19, 2015 22:48:30 GMT -6
www.allenergysolar.com/These are the guys who I went with. Salesman and engineering crews (installers) were from Iowa. Nothing but kudo's to them. Excellent firm. OK....the following is the self-monitoring website I look at from time to time.... enlighten.enphaseenergy.com/pv/systems/657482The lighter the box, the more capture. A perfectly sunny day with no clouds will yield a classic bell curve. (Aug 12th for example). Top capture occurs between 1 and 2. The lifetime capture is now at 1+ megawatt (1000) and climbing. July was a pretty good month. My AES rep says the system is actually beating expectations by about 12%. Feel free to play around with the various days, weeks, etc. Pretty cool stuff. (All provided free BTW with system purchase).
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Post by A boy named Sioux on Aug 20, 2015 7:43:57 GMT -6
It seems we need your email and password to see your data. Is it the same one you used for your Ashley Madison account? If so,i can just look that up.
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Post by Solar Stud on Aug 20, 2015 9:03:51 GMT -6
It seems we need your email and password to see your data. Is it the same one you used for your Ashley Madison account? If so,i can just look that up. I'll have to get it from Ginger....we time-share the account.
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Post by A boy named Sioux on Aug 20, 2015 9:28:13 GMT -6
So you two use the same account to cruise for married dudes?
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Post by Plez Azkins on Aug 20, 2015 9:45:36 GMT -6
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