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Post by socal on Apr 20, 2023 18:49:45 GMT -6
So everyone met our new CIO on Monday. Still digesting the repercussions.
I have never been in an introductory meeting where the person basically says: -The whole of the processes you have aligned to and been successful with for years - are gone. -Those successes you did over the past X years are crap. (That have resulted in the best fiscal year in the company history) -We will be hiring "consulting teams", but not "contractors"
I don't know of a single person that was impressed or thrilled. It literally sucked the air out of everyone and everything. Nobody wants to do anything but job hunt. The statements and facts he gave were the reverse of reality. Unsure where he got his metrics. I keep telling folks that he needs people working for him to do anything. If zero people do anything his way, he can fire everyone - or accept it. Especially in today's market, you cannot just replace hundreds of people and imbue them with the knowledge. So if we just continue on our current course, he can't do much.
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Post by TaterWanger on Apr 20, 2023 19:31:57 GMT -6
It sounds like office terrorism is in order. Start by leaving daily upper deckers.
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Post by NOTTHOR on Apr 21, 2023 6:50:51 GMT -6
It sounds like office terrorism is in order. Start by leaving daily upper deckers. Sage advice, but most offices have those commercial grade toilets that ain't got a tank to drop an upper decker in.
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Post by NOTTHOR on Apr 21, 2023 6:58:55 GMT -6
So everyone met our new CIO on Monday. Still digesting the repercussions. I have never been in an introductory meeting where the person basically says: -The whole of the processes you have aligned to and been successful with for years - are gone. -Those successes you did over the past X years are crap. (That have resulted in the best fiscal year in the company history) -We will be hiring "consulting teams", but not "contractors" I don't know of a single person that was impressed or thrilled. It literally sucked the air out of everyone and everything. Nobody wants to do anything but job hunt. The statements and facts he gave were the reverse of reality. Unsure where he got his metrics. I keep telling folks that he needs people working for him to do anything. If zero people do anything his way, he can fire everyone - or accept it. Especially in today's market, you cannot just replace hundreds of people and imbue them with the knowledge. So if we just continue on our current course, he can't do much. The c-level types have never been more clueless. They think they need to "radically transform" every fucking thing. Sometimes processes that have been developed over the course of decades work. Sometimes they don't. If you roll into a meeting a few days into a job with no actual fucking knowledge of an operation and shit all over the existing processes you are probably a fucking narcissistic sociopathic grifter who will exhibit absolutely no institutional loyalty. Your operation will probably be mostly H1-Bs in the next five to seven years. Get the fuck out now. He's probably already working a contract with TCS or Infosys to kick off the process. My guess is that he was brought in specifically to "get costs under control" and it's gonna get ugly. Don't try to be a hero and rally the troops in dissent. Just leave.
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Post by socal on Apr 21, 2023 7:04:02 GMT -6
So everyone met our new CIO on Monday. Still digesting the repercussions. I have never been in an introductory meeting where the person basically says: -The whole of the processes you have aligned to and been successful with for years - are gone. -Those successes you did over the past X years are crap. (That have resulted in the best fiscal year in the company history) -We will be hiring "consulting teams", but not "contractors" I don't know of a single person that was impressed or thrilled. It literally sucked the air out of everyone and everything. Nobody wants to do anything but job hunt. The statements and facts he gave were the reverse of reality. Unsure where he got his metrics. I keep telling folks that he needs people working for him to do anything. If zero people do anything his way, he can fire everyone - or accept it. Especially in today's market, you cannot just replace hundreds of people and imbue them with the knowledge. So if we just continue on our current course, he can't do much. The c-level types have never been more clueless. They think they need to "radically transform" every fucking thing. Sometimes processes that have been developed over the course of decades work. Sometimes they don't. If you roll into a meeting a few days into a job with no actual fucking knowledge of an operation and shit all over the existing processes you are probably a fucking narcissistic sociopathic grifter who will exhibit absolutely no institutional loyalty. Your operation will probably be mostly H1-Bs in the next five to seven years. Get the fuck out now. He's probably already working a contract with TCS or Infosys to kick off the process. My guess is that he was brought in specifically to "get costs under control" and it's gonna get ugly. Don't try to be a hero and rally the troops in dissent. Just leave. That's the thing. Our last FY - and all quarters after have been huge. For a non-profit, we are doing a heck of a profit. This dude was here for a few months before I began 6 years ago - and we are a drastically different organization than then. Unsure if he is stuck on his first impressions, but his stated reality, isn't. Already buffing out the resume. Mildly regretting dismissing some of the unsolicited nibbles I got over the past few years. Still holding out hope the CEO/board finds out they are about to have an exodus of irreplaceable brains.
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Post by NOTTHOR on Apr 21, 2023 7:26:56 GMT -6
The c-level types have never been more clueless. They think they need to "radically transform" every fucking thing. Sometimes processes that have been developed over the course of decades work. Sometimes they don't. If you roll into a meeting a few days into a job with no actual fucking knowledge of an operation and shit all over the existing processes you are probably a fucking narcissistic sociopathic grifter who will exhibit absolutely no institutional loyalty. Your operation will probably be mostly H1-Bs in the next five to seven years. Get the fuck out now. He's probably already working a contract with TCS or Infosys to kick off the process. My guess is that he was brought in specifically to "get costs under control" and it's gonna get ugly. Don't try to be a hero and rally the troops in dissent. Just leave. That's the thing. Our last FY - and all quarters after have been huge. For a non-profit, we are doing a heck of a profit. This dude was here for a few months before I began 6 years ago - and we are a drastically different organization than then. Unsure if he is stuck on his first impressions, but his stated reality, isn't. Already buffing out the resume. Mildly regretting dismissing some of the unsolicited nibbles I got over the past few years. Still holding out hope the CEO/board finds out they are about to have an exodus of irreplaceable brains. Fuck. 6 years ago might as well have been 6 decades with how fast IT shit changes now. I don't know the intricacies of your business, but my guess is that the IT bros are the lifeblood of the business and the CIO or CTO whatever you want to call it is probably more important the CEO.
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Apr 21, 2023 7:38:10 GMT -6
Post by Stan's Field on Apr 21, 2023 7:38:10 GMT -6
The c-level types have never been more clueless. They think they need to "radically transform" every fucking thing. Sometimes processes that have been developed over the course of decades work. Sometimes they don't. If you roll into a meeting a few days into a job with no actual fucking knowledge of an operation and shit all over the existing processes you are probably a fucking narcissistic sociopathic grifter who will exhibit absolutely no institutional loyalty. Your operation will probably be mostly H1-Bs in the next five to seven years. Get the fuck out now. He's probably already working a contract with TCS or Infosys to kick off the process. My guess is that he was brought in specifically to "get costs under control" and it's gonna get ugly. Don't try to be a hero and rally the troops in dissent. Just leave. That's the thing. Our last FY - and all quarters after have been huge. For a non-profit, we are doing a heck of a profit. This dude was here for a few months before I began 6 years ago - and we are a drastically different organization than then. Unsure if he is stuck on his first impressions, but his stated reality, isn't. Already buffing out the resume. Mildly regretting dismissing some of the unsolicited nibbles I got over the past few years. Still holding out hope the CEO/board finds out they are about to have an exodus of irreplaceable brains. Quick question: How many people at the org are counting the same dollar? The outfit I work for did a massive re-org a few years a goa across all their sites and, while it sucked that we lost some good folks and even good positions, most of the fleet didn't even notice. The primary reason was non-value add positions/processes were rampant, all kinds of waste. It wasn't easily noticed by the corporates for years I guess, but man once O'keef's germ hit, and economics were put into tail-spin, things started to look pretty clear...... Accounting dept. was very heavy, and the needs just weren't really there when you have folks hired to basically scan in invoices instead of having them transmitted automatically. Engineering was the same, you had boatloads of folks with little direction at site-level just doing pet projects. As luck would have it a fair amount of those let go rotated back into some open jobs in years since, so that's nice. The various business units also organized to be aligned as one company instead of each unit looking out for themselves. A lot of people worried about that, like how their profit-sharing would take a hit now that some other site that historically under-performed is in the same pool. But things have never been better on that front now that the focus on the primary goals is sharpened. Your new boss sounds like a fucking douche tho. I had a boss once who compared training people to training horses, basically said you just have to pressure them more. Easy for him to say, he was a Chem-E w/MBA, big time elite manager/leader, but had ZERO technical knowledge and ability, so no skin off his back just plenty of hard times for the folks who had to deal with the downtime and turnover he caused. Was an Engineer, but couldn't grasp mass balance, like in simplest of terms. Was also the type to "make decisions as a group", but never listened to anyone. He'd bring up a stupid idea about running harder during poor timing like bad margin environment, and everyone around the table would disagree and provide factual plant data to stand on while disagreeing, and he'd say "I just don't see the issues." We'd go around the table a few more times, and he'd never back down, so we'd give up. Sociopath
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Apr 21, 2023 12:35:24 GMT -6
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Post by twinlaker on Apr 21, 2023 12:35:24 GMT -6
That's the thing. Our last FY - and all quarters after have been huge. For a non-profit, we are doing a heck of a profit. This dude was here for a few months before I began 6 years ago - and we are a drastically different organization than then. Unsure if he is stuck on his first impressions, but his stated reality, isn't. Already buffing out the resume. Mildly regretting dismissing some of the unsolicited nibbles I got over the past few years. Still holding out hope the CEO/board finds out they are about to have an exodus of irreplaceable brains. Quick question: How many people at the org are counting the same dollar? The outfit I work for did a massive re-org a few years a goa across all their sites and, while it sucked that we lost some good folks and even good positions, most of the fleet didn't even notice. The primary reason was non-value add positions/processes were rampant, all kinds of waste. It wasn't easily noticed by the corporates for years I guess, but man once O'keef's germ hit, and economics were put into tail-spin, things started to look pretty clear...... Accounting dept. was very heavy, and the needs just weren't really there when you have folks hired to basically scan in invoices instead of having them transmitted automatically. Engineering was the same, you had boatloads of folks with little direction at site-level just doing pet projects. As luck would have it a fair amount of those let go rotated back into some open jobs in years since, so that's nice. The various business units also organized to be aligned as one company instead of each unit looking out for themselves. A lot of people worried about that, like how their profit-sharing would take a hit now that some other site that historically under-performed is in the same pool. But things have never been better on that front now that the focus on the primary goals is sharpened. Your new boss sounds like a fucking douche tho. I had a boss once who compared training people to training horses, basically said you just have to pressure them more. Easy for him to say, he was a Chem-E w/MBA, big time elite manager/leader, but had ZERO technical knowledge and ability, so no skin off his back just plenty of hard times for the folks who had to deal with the downtime and turnover he caused. Was an Engineer, but couldn't grasp mass balance, like in simplest of terms. Was also the type to "make decisions as a group", but never listened to anyone. He'd bring up a stupid idea about running harder during poor timing like bad margin environment, and everyone around the table would disagree and provide factual plant data to stand on while disagreeing, and he'd say "I just don't see the issues." We'd go around the table a few more times, and he'd never back down, so we'd give up. Sociopath Wait, whut……? You live in Bayard still… or have you moved on up to Scranton?🤷♂️
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Apr 21, 2023 21:01:01 GMT -6
Post by livingintheusa on Apr 21, 2023 21:01:01 GMT -6
Some have been there before
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Post by Presidential Immunity Cock on Apr 23, 2023 22:32:34 GMT -6
Yea, time to reach out and see what the world has to offer. I've been with companies that had a new top level head come in and basically change everything for the worse. Eventually he left for the next company to destroy, but they lost every single valuable employee that was critical to the company in 6 months.
So happy that my current company and top level people are good and know what they are doing. They cleaned house from the prior teams that sucked and were stuck in old, shitty processes of bandaiding 15 year old equipment and refusing to update a damn thing. They all left or were fired and replaced with good people who aren't afraid of new tech. Plus, for a non-profit the pay is amazing, way more than for profit companies I've worked for.
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Post by A boy named Sioux on Apr 24, 2023 8:14:43 GMT -6
The c-level types have never been more clueless. They think they need to "radically transform" every fucking thing. Sometimes processes that have been developed over the course of decades work. Sometimes they don't. If you roll into a meeting a few days into a job with no actual fucking knowledge of an operation and shit all over the existing processes you are probably a fucking narcissistic sociopathic grifter who will exhibit absolutely no institutional loyalty. Your operation will probably be mostly H1-Bs in the next five to seven years. Get the fuck out now. He's probably already working a contract with TCS or Infosys to kick off the process. My guess is that he was brought in specifically to "get costs under control" and it's gonna get ugly. Don't try to be a hero and rally the troops in dissent. Just leave. That's the thing. Our last FY - and all quarters after have been huge. For a non-profit, we are doing a heck of a profit. This dude was here for a few months before I began 6 years ago - and we are a drastically different organization than then. Unsure if he is stuck on his first impressions, but his stated reality, isn't. Already buffing out the resume. Mildly regretting dismissing some of the unsolicited nibbles I got over the past few years. Still holding out hope the CEO/board finds out they are about to have an exodus of irreplaceable brains. The CEO and board will likely not figure that out before it happens, and will not care if they do. We are all just easily replaceable cogs in their machine. Don't let the door hit you in the ass on the way out.
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Apr 27, 2023 10:12:43 GMT -6
Post by Stan's Field on Apr 27, 2023 10:12:43 GMT -6
I'm starting to question socal's facts here.... Been hearing a lot of chatter on message boards about this..... Something doesn't add up. Something big could be going here. Lots of unknowns at this point, something isn't' adding up. Anyone else know anyone who works there? They hearing anything through their contacts on ground? Can we trust the regular channels here with the facts? Any elected officials tweeting out better, more sensational takes on socal's position? ?
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May 17, 2023 12:34:01 GMT -6
Post by socal on May 17, 2023 12:34:01 GMT -6
Is official. I'm one of the 108 told we will be let go.
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Post by NOTTHOR on May 17, 2023 12:43:03 GMT -6
Is official. I'm one of the 108 told we will be let go. Damn man, sorry to hear that. "Thanks for your loyalty now get the fuck out." You have had some illnesses and you're over the age for ADEA. Don't let them fuck you on severance. Let's join hands in a prayer circle. Lord, bless this man and guide him to a better place. Bless his family and give them strength in this stressful time. Amen.
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May 17, 2023 18:19:24 GMT -6
Post by livingintheusa on May 17, 2023 18:19:24 GMT -6
Is official. I'm one of the 108 told we will be let go. You were looking for a job when you found that one.
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Post by LansingHawk on May 19, 2023 6:42:04 GMT -6
Is official. I'm one of the 108 told we will be let go. Sorry about losing your job. Hope you find something else you enjoy. Relax for a bit and use some unemployment benefits.
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May 19, 2023 9:42:13 GMT -6
Post by livingintheusa on May 19, 2023 9:42:13 GMT -6
Is official. I'm one of the 108 told we will be let go. Sorry about losing your job. Hope you find something else you enjoy. Relax for a bit and use some unemployment benefits. Shirley, you jest.
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May 19, 2023 18:08:07 GMT -6
Post by LansingHawk on May 19, 2023 18:08:07 GMT -6
Sorry about losing your job. Hope you find something else you enjoy. Relax for a bit and use some unemployment benefits. Shirley, you jest. No, and don't call me Shirley.
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Post by livingintheusa on May 19, 2023 19:27:00 GMT -6
Sorry, no insult intended. Only ment to imply that unemployment benefits in Iowa are not adequate and have been reduced by those in power.
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Post by A boy named Sioux on May 22, 2023 13:30:36 GMT -6
That's the thing. Our last FY - and all quarters after have been huge. For a non-profit, we are doing a heck of a profit. This dude was here for a few months before I began 6 years ago - and we are a drastically different organization than then. Unsure if he is stuck on his first impressions, but his stated reality, isn't. Already buffing out the resume. Mildly regretting dismissing some of the unsolicited nibbles I got over the past few years. Still holding out hope the CEO/board finds out they are about to have an exodus of irreplaceable brains. The CEO and board will likely not figure that out before it happens, and will not care if they do. We are all just easily replaceable cogs in their machine. Don't let the door hit you in the ass on the way out. Sorry to hear you got caught in the layoff, but not at all surprised. Don't take that the wrong way, I don't mean not surprised because of your abilities and or performance. Not surprised because the pricks who make these decisions have no concept of loyalty and no idea who actually makes things happen.
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May 23, 2023 10:54:28 GMT -6
Post by thunderhawk on May 23, 2023 10:54:28 GMT -6
The CEO and board will likely not figure that out before it happens, and will not care if they do. We are all just easily replaceable cogs in their machine. Don't let the door hit you in the ass on the way out. Sorry to hear you got caught in the layoff, but not at all surprised. Don't take that the wrong way, I don't mean not surprised because of your abilities and or performance. Not surprised because the pricks who make these decisions have no concept of loyalty and no idea who actually makes things happen. It's fucking amazing how these corporations and organizations, who fancy themselves masters of the universe possessing more wisdom than Solomon, choose the absolute worst people to "lead" the outfits that they claim to value so highly. 99% of "disruptors" are totally full of shit and more aptly labeled "destructors."
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Post by Stan's Field on May 23, 2023 12:18:07 GMT -6
No, and don't call me Shirley. He's a complete short-circuit personified, but that's not important right now.
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Post by LansingHawk on May 24, 2023 19:25:11 GMT -6
No, and don't call me Shirley. He's a complete short-circuit personified, but that's not important right now. You over your drinking problem?
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May 25, 2023 4:48:02 GMT -6
Post by socal on May 25, 2023 4:48:02 GMT -6
Took a week for the ICPC to write anything on it... and it ends up being a "Let's recap anything we wrote related to the company over the past few years along with a vague statement from the CEO".
If it wasn't sad I'd be laughing at how the transition is going. The contracted company is trying to get brain downloads from people, but when they do show up for the sessions - they have zero knowledge of the technologies we are using. They seriously have not heard of some AWS technologies and it had to be summarized to them.
They are trying to cram 1+ years of knowledge transfer into <1 month to people that aren't aware of the tech stack. And they expect those people to understand the stack enough to manipulate systems and data enough to massage through common system issues? Ha.
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May 25, 2023 7:02:41 GMT -6
Post by NOTTHOR on May 25, 2023 7:02:41 GMT -6
Took a week for the ICPC to write anything on it... and it ends up being a "Let's recap anything we wrote related to the company over the past few years along with a vague statement from the CEO". If it wasn't sad I'd be laughing at how the transition is going. The contracted company is trying to get brain downloads from people, but when they do show up for the sessions - they have zero knowledge of the technologies we are using. They seriously have not heard of some AWS technologies and it had to be summarized to them. They are trying to cram 1+ years of knowledge transfer into <1 month to people that aren't aware of the tech stack. And they expect those people to understand the stack enough to manipulate systems and data enough to massage through common system issues? Ha. The beauty of the debt serfdom system that our country has created is that a company can fire someone, give them peanuts of severance for a release AND condition the severance on the terminated employees training their H1-B replacements. My ass would tell them to fuck right off and if I was destitute and had to stay the amount of subterfuge would make the forced labor camps the Germans ran in WWII look like Six Sigma certified operations.
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